CBF1000

CBF1000 => Lighting, Electrical, and Wiring => Topic started by: stevief on 10 February, 2020, 09:45:33 PM

Title: Headlight Bulb
Post by: stevief on 10 February, 2020, 09:45:33 PM
I have a CBF1000FA-B 2011 and the user guide says the headlight is 12V - 55w x2 I presume its a Halogen but is that an H4 bulb or an H7 or...? the bulb that has blown doesn't appear to have any markings on it at all!

I have found the dipped beam to be slightly inadequate on country roads (so I do resort to switching on high-beam but often have to switch back so as not to "blind" the oncoming traffic).
 
What bulbs do people recommend? Is it worth buying one of the LED conversion kits? Seem'd like £90 for converting both dipped and high-beam, is it worth it?

Seen this one on Ebay , does it seem OK?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LED-H7-Dual-headlight-Headlamp-Conversion-Honda-CBF1000A-ABS-CBF600/382387347599?hash=item59080fe08f:g:qV8AAOSwax5YubkU
Title: Re: Headlight Bulb
Post by: Art on 10 February, 2020, 10:17:17 PM
It is an H7 bulb and I too found the stock 12v 55W Halogen bulb to be useless. Upgraded my dipped beam to a HID by way of a cheap as chips eBay deal for £10. The only downside was I had to fit an off/on switch for the headlamp because occasionally when cranking the starter motor the ballast would cut out and take hours re-set. You need to splice into the headlamp wiring for the ballast so fitting the switch isn't too much extra. While I was there I fitted a pair of CREE U5 LED DRL's, they come with their own switch. Now 5 years on and its still doing what it does and what it does is light the way ahead and it all meets the new MOT lighting regulations too. Something similar to these, ignore that the HID kit is for Yamaha its an H7 bulb and an H7 bulb is an H7 bulb.

Links

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/H7-6000K-HID-XENON-CONVERSION-KIT-FOR-YAMAHA-R1-MOTORCYCLE-MOTORBIKE/380425466146?hash=item58931ff122:g:lJcAAMXQoiJRhehJ

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2X-125W-U5-U7-Motorcycle-Motorbike-Headlight-LED-Fog-Spot-Lights-Bulb-Switch/312870513102?hash=item48d88929ce:m:mesWPA44J4PthKz908Xo9hw

If your set on LED's these look similar to the ones you've link at a more reasonable price

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2X-AUXITO-200W-H7-CREE-LED-Headlight-Bulb-High-Low-Beam-Conversion-Kit-Headlamp/123939275176?epid=8035111854&hash=item1cdb5b41a8:g:diIAAOSwi7RdpEqA

Title: Re: Headlight Bulb
Post by: YDraig on 12 February, 2020, 01:41:37 PM
*Originally Posted by stevief [+]

I have found the dipped beam to be slightly inadequate on country roads (so I do resort to switching on high-beam but often have to switch back so as not to "blind" the oncoming traffic).


You do know that what you describe is correct use of high-beam don't you?  when no street lighting or oncoming traffic switch to 'main' (high) beam, so you can see far enough ahead.  You're supposed to 'dip' (switch to low beam only) when traffic is oncoming (so you don't dazzle them) or when you get behind other traffic going in the same direction.
Title: Re: Headlight Bulb
Post by: Art on 12 February, 2020, 04:51:09 PM
Its not a question of seeing far enough ahead, the problem is you can barely see past the front wheel with the stock bulb. Add some flies, road fling, dirty rain etc and after a good days hard riding visibility is further reduced. With the dip beam upgraded with a HID bulb and DRL's fitted my way ahead is now virtually as clear as day all night long.

Happy Days

Title: Re: Headlight Bulb
Post by: YDraig on 12 February, 2020, 05:01:40 PM
Stock bulbs are rubbish, couldn't agree  more with that.  I always buy Osram  nightbreakers (whichever is the newest best) or Philips extreme bulbs.  Just about adequate.  If your lights are getting that filthy then stop at a garage and clean them off as the darkness falls.

P.S.  What are DRLs doing on at night?  :182:  The clue is in the name  :084: -  Daytime Running Light: they are for you to be seen during the day: not for seeing where you are going in the dark.   :138:

Call them driving lights instead  :164: :164: :164:
Title: Re: Headlight Bulb
Post by: Art on 12 February, 2020, 06:25:26 PM
Well slap me on the wrist, my upgraded lights are fine, they are for me to see where I'm going and don't need cleaning. My point is without them last weekends 700 mile sortie into North Wales and back would not have happened. Riding in extremes of weather including snow, sleet, rain and anything else Storm Ciara threw our way, often without any street lighting, requires headlamps and lights of a higher specification than 12v 55W halogens.

Sure both the Osram and Phillips bulbs are better than the stock bulb, how much better I don't know but I do know they are not as good as they'd want us to believe. What I question is why are the performance gains expressed as 'up to' and 'usually'? Probably because in reality the gains fall some way short of the claims.
Title: Re: Headlight Bulb
Post by: Crispy on 12 February, 2020, 11:26:59 PM
*Originally Posted by YDraig [+]
Stock bulbs are rubbish, couldn't agree  more with that.  I always buy Osram  nightbreakers (whichever is the newest best) or Philips extreme bulbs.  Just about adequate.

My bike must have something similar as they’re white lights, I’d like to know the correct side light bulbs to get to match as they’re yellow. Anyone any ideas?
Title: Re: Headlight Bulb
Post by: Art on 13 February, 2020, 08:12:20 AM
Halogen bulbs have a colour temperature of around 3000k which gives them their yellow tinge. If you want a whiter light you want zenon or zenon effect bulbs with a colour temperature nearer 4000K. The bulb type is W5W.





Title: Re: Headlight Bulb
Post by: YDraig on 13 February, 2020, 09:27:20 AM
*Originally Posted by Crispy [+]
My bike must have something similar as they’re white lights, I’d like to know the correct side light bulbs to get to match as they’re yellow. Anyone any ideas?

I Got the OSRAM LED W5W bulbs.  Osram 2850WW-02B LED Premium Retrofit W2.1x9.5d, W5W, Interior Lights, 12 V, Warm White, Double Blister (Pack of 2)
These are white (same as the Osram night breaker extreme h7 bulbs)  :073: :073: :073: not the yellow of the normal filament bulb.
Title: Re: Headlight Bulb
Post by: Crispy on 13 February, 2020, 10:47:45 AM
Thanks YDraig, found some of them Osram W5W led bulbs on eBay. I also noticed that they do them in amber for the turn lights, they’re meant to be a lot brighter. Maybe it’s a good idea to make the indicators brighter as well.

Cheers  :062:
Title: Re: Headlight Bulb
Post by: Piper on 13 February, 2020, 06:16:43 PM
I don't do a lot of riding on traffic free roads at night so I have adjusted my main beam headlight so it points downwards far enough not to dazzle oncoming traffic but not quite as much as the dip beam and keep both the headlights on at night. Works for me and has passed several MOTs like this. I also use the better quality Phillips bulbs.
 Pete 
Title: Re: Headlight Bulb
Post by: Rev Ken on 13 February, 2020, 07:19:39 PM
*Originally Posted by Art [+]
It is an H7 bulb and I too found the stock 12v 55W Halogen bulb to be useless. Upgraded my dipped beam to a HID by way of a cheap as chips eBay deal for £10. The only downside was I had to fit an off/on switch for the headlamp because occasionally when cranking the starter motor the ballast would cut out and take hours re-set. You need to splice into the headlamp wiring for the ballast so fitting the switch isn't too much extra. While I was there I fitted a pair of CREE U5 LED DRL's, they come with their own switch. Now 5 years on and its still doing what it does and what it does is light the way ahead and it all meets the new MOT lighting regulations too. Something similar to these, ignore that the HID kit is for Yamaha its an H7 bulb and an H7 bulb is an H7 bulb.

Links

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/H7-6000K-HID-XENON-CONVERSION-KIT-FOR-YAMAHA-R1-MOTORCYCLE-MOTORBIKE/380425466146?hash=item58931ff122:g:lJcAAMXQoiJRhehJ

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2X-125W-U5-U7-Motorcycle-Motorbike-Headlight-LED-Fog-Spot-Lights-Bulb-Switch/312870513102?hash=item48d88929ce:m:mesWPA44J4PthKz908Xo9hw

If your set on LED's these look similar to the ones you've link at a more reasonable price

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2X-AUXITO-200W-H7-CREE-LED-Headlight-Bulb-High-Low-Beam-Conversion-Kit-Headlamp/123939275176?epid=8035111854&hash=item1cdb5b41a8:g:diIAAOSwi7RdpEqA
If you are referring to your HID conversion (well worthwhile IF not a cheap Chinese version) Sadly these conversions are now  failure item on the new MOT regs, even when they meet the required beam pattern. :211: (Check DVSA's site and look up the MOT test manual.)

I've protested (I was in charge of the branch which implemented the MOT standards and garage equipment requirements when 'thee were just a lad' :038:). They sent me a paper written in the 60s showing HID set-ups scattered light everywhere, especially the cheaper versions with no quality control. It beggars belief that they haven't tested more recent versions.  :125:Sooooooooooooo you are meant to revert to candles, pass the MOT, then refit HIDs for your safety! :157:
Title: Re: Headlight Bulb
Post by: Shed on 14 February, 2020, 08:40:00 AM
The Rev is  correct on this, as per the regs:

"Some motorcycles may be fitted with high intensity discharge (HID) headlamps. Existing halogen headlamp units should not be converted to be used with HID bulbs. If such a conversion has been done, you must fail the headlamp".

Whether your friendly, biker-minded, biker-themselves, mot garage actually enforce & implement this is another matter.  :164:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/mot-inspection-manual-for-motorcycles/4-lamps-reflectors-and-electrical-equipment

Title: Re: Headlight Bulb
Post by: YDraig on 14 February, 2020, 09:10:54 AM
*Originally Posted by Shed [+]

Whether your friendly, biker-minded, biker-themselves, mot garage actually enforce & implement this is another matter.  :164:

...

Indeed  :156:  My other bike would be useless at night these days if that was enforced.  I do notice that it doesn't bar the use of LED conversions though.   :001:
Title: Re: Headlight Bulb
Post by: Art on 14 February, 2020, 11:48:17 AM
Yes, I should have mentioned that in my post so just to be clear the MOT manual specifically states 'Existing halogen headlamp units should not be converted to be used with HID bulbs' and it is now a Major fail - 4.1.4 (c) Light source and lamp not compatible.

Thank you @Rev Ken and @Shed for pointing that out.

Maybe when my HID burns out I'll go with the second best LED option although I did reject LED's because of the heat produced and resulting failure rate.
Title: Re: Headlight Bulb
Post by: YDraig on 14 February, 2020, 01:41:02 PM
Relevant to our bikes : carrying out a full projector and HID conversion.  I think it would be really difficult for an MOT tester to decide to fail it as a conversion - How would they know it's not OEM?  (assuming the job was done properly).   
Title: Re: Headlight Bulb
Post by: Rev Ken on 15 February, 2020, 01:58:49 PM
*Originally Posted by YDraig [+]
Indeed  :156:  My other bike would be useless at night these days if that was enforced.  I do notice that it doesn't bar the use of LED conversions though.   :001:
If an HID conversion is a fail item, why not an LED conversion? Many LED conversions are far worse for scattering light or are hopeless in the wet.
Title: Re: Headlight Bulb
Post by: Art on 15 February, 2020, 03:09:18 PM
LED conversion of a halogen headlight unit may be a fail, it'll depend on how the tester views it. The fail is in having incompatible bulb and headlight unit so if the tester sees the LED bulb as not compatible with the headlight unit he'll fail it, as unlikely as that may sound.
Title: Re: Headlight Bulb
Post by: Crispy on 22 March, 2020, 07:50:16 PM
Fitted some Osram W5W side light bulbs in cool white and it’s made a huge difference to my road presence, turning more heads than normal and just feel that cars coming out of side roads see me much better.

My judgment about the headlights being white was wrong, as there’s a yellow tinge when you look at them from the side. I’ll have to pull them out to see what make they are, as I can’t find Osram H7 55w bulbs in cool white, only cool blue. Question is, are cool blue headlights road legal?

Anyone know?

Cheers
Title: Re: Headlight Bulb
Post by: Art on 22 March, 2020, 08:14:07 PM
Cool blue is still white take a look here