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CBF1000 => CBF1000 - General Discussion => Topic started by: SteveS on 10 August, 2019, 04:56:14 PM

Title: Hugger or no hugger
Post by: SteveS on 10 August, 2019, 04:56:14 PM
Quick question ......... hugger or no hugger?
On removing the hugger on my newly acquired CBF it’s not a pretty sight underneath. The bikes generally in great condition but with a hugger fitted this area is out of sight and impossible to keep clean. I guess it’s good for keeping spray off certain areas but seemingly at a price ......... any thoughts comments appreciated

Title: Re: Hugger or no hugger
Post by: iNCORRIGIBLE on 10 August, 2019, 05:22:12 PM
Hi SteveS.Does the cruddy appearance on the invisible underside of the Hugger in any way affect the bike's operation? Ed.
Title: Re: Hugger or no hugger
Post by: NJD on 10 August, 2019, 06:36:37 PM
The damage (what looks to be rust) is not caused by the huger but rather by the previous owners lack of maintenance around this area when it comes cleaning.

Get some sandpaper, a wire brush or/and some sanding blocks and scrub away at the rust until your hearts content, and then -- and only then -- can you make an assessment on how bad the rust is on the swingarm.

In truth I'd probably sand it off and then spray it with some Halfords spray paint or alike, and if bothers you that much look for a mint swingarm on eBay.

Having a huger fitted will save you a world of hurt when it comes to cleaning your bike post winter -- if you ride in winter or rain -- and keeping it clean generally. If you keep it removed, and based on the condition of UK roads, you'll be rusting away that rear shock in no time at all. Hugers are useful and removing one doesn't take that long.

Once you've done the sanding and painting (on a warm day, or on any day -- and air dried -- if inside) then coat the swingarm in ACF-50 like there's no tomorrow (underside included).

edit: check tightness of rear resivour mounting bolt too (1/4 screwdriver + socket as don't want to over-tighten, or a 1/4 ratchet): just a tip, and is generally best to go through all the tightness of the fasteners when getting a used bike.
Title: Re: Hugger or no hugger
Post by: Art on 10 August, 2019, 06:49:37 PM
Yes to the hugger. Hammerite paint, rattle can or brush on, for the swinging arm once you've prepared it and prep it you must even though its claimed to be a direct to rust metal paint you really should prep it for a proper job.
Title: Re: Hugger or no hugger
Post by: SteveS on 13 April, 2020, 07:58:55 AM
I finally got around to painting my swinging arm as I'm unable to use the bike at the moment.

Stripping the back end down was far less of a chore than I expected. I decided to strip it right down and give everything a good clean and service. It took a couple of hours max to strip.

I would have preferred to match the original colour but in the spirit of lockdown I decided to use what I had laying around (a can of primer and satin black). I’m not too disappointed with the outcome. Fortunately bearings etc where all go so just greased and reassembled carefully so as not to damage the new paint!. Everything liberally doused in ACF50 (I apply it using my small compressor) before refitting the hugger.

Just a final few bits to finish now


Title: Re: Hugger or no hugger
Post by: Crispy on 13 April, 2020, 08:17:37 AM
Very nice, I’m looking to do mine in carbon. Thanks for sharing  :028:
Title: Re: Hugger or no hugger
Post by: Shed on 13 April, 2020, 09:57:28 AM
Tidy job.  :028:
Title: Re: Hugger or no hugger
Post by: Art on 13 April, 2020, 05:10:57 PM
Happy Days
Title: Re: Hugger or no hugger
Post by: Scootyman on 13 April, 2020, 07:25:12 PM
Thats really strange because I have been contemplating the same job in the same colour. I think I read that Rustoleum paint worked well for this too. Maybe I’ll keep the Biffer a little longer then. Looks nice in black.
Title: Re: Hugger or no hugger
Post by: NJD on 14 April, 2020, 12:50:05 AM
Kudos for going to the length of removing the swingarm given it could, technically, be repaired / painted in situ with the rear wheel removed.

Looks like a good finish on the paint from the photo you post.

Hopefully you'll benefit from the smoothness of freshly greased swingarm and suspension pivots during your next ride.  :152:
Title: Re: Hugger or no hugger
Post by: Art on 14 April, 2020, 08:50:48 AM
I did mine in situ with Hammerite silver in February but you may have inspired me to remove it and do it again in black, the black just looks right and will look even righter with my gloss black hugger/chain guard. I got some paint in too for the stands which are looking pretty grim, I'm probably going to need some more now.

What is that white plug dangling? It looks as if it is a charging lead that plugs into another connector just below the seat. If it lives there permanently give it a coat of that black paint and cable tie it in with the rest of the loom it dangles by. While you're there with the cable ties tidy up the rear brake light switch and wiring, it just looks proper messy! Why am I being so critical because my mo'cycle hasn't been that clean since it left Newcombe Brothers.
Title: Re: Hugger or no hugger
Post by: SteveS on 15 April, 2020, 07:33:22 AM
*Originally Posted by Art [+]
I did mine in situ with Hammerite silver in February but you may have inspired me to remove it and do it again in black, the black just looks right and will look even righter with my gloss black hugger/chain guard. I got some paint in too for the stands which are looking pretty grim, I'm probably going to need some more now.

What is that white plug dangling? It looks as if it is a charging lead that plugs into another connector just below the seat. If it lives there permanently give it a coat of that black paint and cable tie it in with the rest of the loom it dangles by. While you're there with the cable ties tidy up the rear brake light switch and wiring, it just looks proper messy! Why am I being so critical because my mo'cycle hasn't been that clean since it left Newcombe Brothers.

The plug you can see is the optimate charger (and accessories) plug and is usually hidden.

I would recommend removing the swinging arm as it really is not a difficult job and gives you a chance to check and clean other areas that are normally difficult to access. I actually bought a used one off eBay for £25 and de rusted and painted that one before removing the rusty one as I wasn’t expected to have to keep off the road for an extended period. An added benefit is that I now have a spare to refurbish if I need to.

The Honda hugger is not very efficient in my opinion. On refitting it I used some rubber washers between the hugger and swinging arm where the brake pipe clamps are. As this allows water to escape as opposed to trapping it. I suspect your one is aftermarket and a better design.

Good luck
Title: Re: Hugger or no hugger
Post by: Art on 15 April, 2020, 10:26:58 AM
Yes, after market hugger. Never taken too much notice of it but it is longer and a closer fit around the tyre than yours.

I'm in the middle of relaying some decking at the moment but as soon as that is done I could be on the swinging arm, subject to her indoors not having another 'little' task for me.
Title: Re: Hugger or no hugger
Post by: SteveS on 15 April, 2020, 01:51:15 PM
*Originally Posted by Art [+]
Yes, after market hugger. Never taken too much notice of it but it is longer and a closer fit around the tyre than yours.

I'm in the middle of relaying some decking at the moment but as soon as that is done I could be on the swinging arm, subject to her indoors not having another 'little' task for me.

Blimey ....... at I thought I was the only one subject to a list of projects by the “powers that be”. I find the best course of action is to nip into my garage “to get some more tools” which of course take a while to locate!
Title: Re: Hugger or no hugger
Post by: Art on 20 April, 2020, 06:14:44 PM
The swinging arm is off and its had its first coat. In the spirit of 'use what you have on the shelf' I'm brush painting it with Hammerite's Direct to Rust satin black. Its what was left over after the worst job I ever had, painting LB Newham council houses in an effort to spruce up the image of the area prior to the 2012 Olympic Games. No we wasn't painting the houses with Hammerite it was just for the wrought iron dustbin shed handles.

I know Hammerite give this paint a 2 year shelf life and the can is now a teenager but so is my CBF!
Title: Re: Hugger or no hugger
Post by: SteveS on 21 April, 2020, 07:02:45 AM
Good luck with it. How about some photos when your done.
Title: Re: Hugger or no hugger
Post by: Art on 21 April, 2020, 07:47:50 AM
Its not been without issues. The hugger and drive chain slider screws appear to have been fitted using a high strength threadlock, red tell tales about the threads, removing these by means of heat was not an option due to brake lines etc. Its a simple job that has been a proper pain, at least now I've got as far as paint, second coat will be going on this morning.

Here's the centre stand sporting the first coat of Hammerite gloss black in situ. It will be coming off for two coats of satin and greasing the pivot shaft when the swingarm is back on, same treatment for the side stand which will more or less empty the satin black paint pot.
Title: Re: Hugger or no hugger
Post by: Art on 21 April, 2020, 11:48:24 AM
Second coat is on and to be honest its not looking as good as I'd like. I could do with some better lighting in the garage but I think the main problem here is with the brush on Hammerite. It is such a difficult paint to achieve a smooth finish with, I'm not getting any runs but the brush strokes are visible.

If a light rub and third coat doesn't come out any better I may have to surrender to laying out some hard earned on a rattle can or two.
Title: Re: Hugger or no hugger
Post by: Art on 13 May, 2020, 03:34:38 PM
Well between painting fences, gates, sheds, garden furniture and anything else outback that didn't move I finally got the job done. Took it down to Asda by way of a test ride and to fill the tank, less than £1 per litre!

All is good, the brush applied Hammerite looks better on than off and I'll accept it for what it is but if I was to do it again it would have to be with a rattle can. The bearings were all good unlike the fasteners. It appears some monkey boy had fitted them using a high strength threadlock resulting in 2 bolts that had to be drilled out and another 5 that had to be replaced as they were found to have rounded heads or damaged threads. Fortunately I have experience in removing mullered fasteners and a full selection of AF, WW and other tools to deal with such things. The job got done with minimal cursing and here is the swingarm, side stand and centre all Hammerited and re-fitted.
Title: Re: Hugger or no hugger
Post by: iNCORRIGIBLE on 13 May, 2020, 07:53:19 PM
Hi,Art."mullered" is a lovely word.Not really sure of its origins but suspect it goes back to WW1/2. Very interested in your methods in dealing with fasteners that think they can defy us in their efforts to stay put.  Of course , they do have a soul &  much will & are not to be insulted or treated without due respect! ( Goes for most of us of course). When I attack the immoveable fastener I am always equipped with,1.WD40 ,2.Overnight Penetration(not  sexual)3.Heat source,Power drill  set to percussion /reverse  torque ,the obviously correct fitting tool bit( including the correct sized Japanese Industry Standard (JIS) screwdriver , extractors,and an irresistable determination to overcome.

Failing this,  I would arrange for  the total  destruction  of the  offending items in  a public place! :046:
Title: Re: Hugger or no hugger
Post by: Art on 13 May, 2020, 09:09:35 PM
All of the above especially the determination to overcome as well as a ball pein, cold chisel, punch, hacksaw, file and impact driver. Never really thought about the origins of 'mullered' I picked it up in my apprenticeship days and its been with me ever since.

Here are the offending items amongst the left overs, some don't look too much of a challenge but with what looked like Loctite 272 or similar applied to the full thread they put up a reasonable amount of resistance. What idiot uses a high strength threadlock on the likes of screws securing the likes of brake line clamps and rear wheel huggers? I've said it before and I'll say it again some folk should not be allowed spanners.