CBF1000 => CBF1000 - General Discussion => Topic started by: hairymonster on 14 April, 2019, 04:49:00 PM

Title: Considering a biffa
Post by: hairymonster on 14 April, 2019, 04:49:00 PM
Hello everyone,

I'm considering a biffa and I have a few questions:

1. I know the differences between the mk1 and the mk2 - aside from the lights, instruments & fairing, is one definitely worth having over the other?

2. I'm 6ft 2 and I like a fairly upright position. I haven't ridden a biffa, but it seems quite small to me. I had a CB1300S in the past and that was lovely, except I had a bit more weight on my wrists than I would have liked. I have shorter legs (31 inch inseam) and a longer body, though getting feet flat down is never a problem as my 18 stone muscular bulk compresses any suspension known to mankind. Will book a test ride locally in the next week or so.

3. The CB1300 was plenty quick enough, though never had that "***k me this is quick" moment as I did on a mate's Blackbird, which almost drove me to lose control of my sphincter. How does the Biffa compare to the CB13 in terms of acceleration/grunt?

4. I saw the comments about the stator - are there any model years to avoid?

All contributions most gratefully recieved


Title: Re: Considering a biffa
Post by: alan sh on 14 April, 2019, 05:06:53 PM
1. I've had both and the MK2 is better (see also 4).
2. The CBF has 3 seating positions. You should be fine on the tallest one.
3. I've got a CB1300 as well and that definitely has more get up & go. The CBF is for reasonable acceleration (it's still pretty decent) and long distance comfort.
4. The MK2 does not have that issue. All MK1's may have it (unless it's had the Honda stator and rotor replaced under warranty).

Does that help?

Title: Re: Considering a biffa
Post by: hairymonster on 14 April, 2019, 05:22:12 PM
Yes it does help -  thanks.

For long-distance comfort, would you find the biffa better than a CB1300S? the CB13 gave me a numb bum after about 100 miles.
Title: Re: Considering a biffa
Post by: alan sh on 14 April, 2019, 07:26:06 PM
Yes, but I find both reasonably comfy.

Title: Re: Considering a biffa
Post by: Bluefox on 14 April, 2019, 09:51:30 PM
Air hawk cruiser cushion medium was the best £100 I ever spent,ride all day with on discomfort
Title: Re: Considering a biffa
Post by: hairymonster on 14 April, 2019, 10:50:53 PM
*Originally Posted by Bluefox [+]
Air hawk cruiser cushion medium was the best £100 I ever spent,ride all day with on discomfort
Does that sit on top of the seat or is the seat re-covered with this inside?
Title: Re: Considering a biffa
Post by: pedro on 15 April, 2019, 02:16:23 AM
I can only really speak for Mk1's. But I'd second alan sh's comments.

I'm 6' tall and a few stone heavier than you. I've got around a 31" leg and height isn't any problem. You'll find it comfy for pretty long journeys and the riding position puts minimal strain on the hands/wrists, even tootling along in town. Acceleration is best described as zippy. Blowing off cars with ease and able to stick with sportier bikes (up to a point). It's no fireblade but it's power is in the rage you'll find most useful on real roads. I guess the CB1300 will be off the mark quicker, but the CBF will be easier on the rider at speed. The stator might be a worry but by all accounts, it doesn't seem to affect all Mk1s and even if it does go, financially it isn't the end of the world. It's a luck thing more than anything. But to put it in perspective, all bikes have their faults and this is no better or worse a fault than you'll find in other bikes.

Being a taller chap, one thing that might come into play is wind buffeting. The screen has two positions, one of which might do it for you. The higher one does for me, but if not, a search on here will give you knowledge to sort that should it prove problematic.

The Mk2 is the bike that sorts out the Mk1 foibles and the one to get. But if the piggy bank dictates, a Mk1 is still an excellent bike.
Title: Re: Considering a biffa
Post by: Bluefox on 15 April, 2019, 07:35:41 AM
It sit.. on top of the seat and straps on underneath,a very easy job.The medium is the perfect size for a biffer,then it's just a case of adjusting the right of air in it to suit you.Superb bit of kit that does exactly as it says on the tin.
Title: Re: Considering a biffa
Post by: hairymonster on 15 April, 2019, 08:51:10 AM
Thanks Pedro for the input - sounds like we're of a similar muscular physique!

Bluefox - thanks for the input about the seat. I used to ride a BMW R1150GS and a few people on that forum were lifelong fans of the Airhawk, though the most popular were Sargent and Corbin seats. There was also a Touratwat seat which I tried which wasn't any good at all.

Alansh - thanks for input.

The CBF ticks a lot of boxes, though I can't help feeling it's a bit prosaic. I really want to open the garage door and think 'wow, that looks good' and the Biffa does look rather ordinary and sensible!

I used to have a Triumph 900 Sprint which I loved, because it looked horny and even on standard pipes, that triple cylinder howl was something to behold. Great bike, but the newest one is about 22 years old now, and I don't like carbed bikes - the Triumph NEVER ran right because someone had removed the wadding in the frame tubes which fed air to the carbs. Great above 6000rpm but between 5000 and 6000 felt like it was running out of petrol.
Title: Re: Considering a biffa
Post by: Art on 15 April, 2019, 12:22:07 PM
For my two penneth

Never owned or ridden a MKII so my comments relate to the MKI or SC58 as Honda prefer to call it.

Comfort - The upright riding position keeps you off your wrists. I found the stock seat comfortable enough to do a 19 hours in the saddle RBLR 1000 ride. If you do find it needs a little extra something there's plenty of companies like 'Viking Motorcycle Seats' that offer a while you wait service to modify the seat just how you want it and when they've finished it'll look how a seat should look and set you back less hard earned then an airhawk win, win.

Acceleration - its a sports tourer so its never going to win a traffic light Grand Prix. I've found the acceleration to be more than satisfactory to the point where I'm thinking of a 41 tooth rear sprocket to improve on that 50+ mpg.

The MKI stator issue - I'd ignore it. It seems as if no sooner someone mentions anything electrical someone else is willing to needlessly cry out replace the stator. Its nowhere near the problem its blown up to be. It took mine 10 years to fail and then it was easy to diagnose, available off the shelf, inexpensive (<£100.00) to replace and simple to fit.

I'd not hesitate on another MKI but fail to see any real need to replace this one in the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Considering a biffa
Post by: pedro on 15 April, 2019, 02:19:58 PM
hairymonster: I get where you are coming from with the "ordinary and sensible" thing. The most amount of criticism Hondas in general get is that they are bland. Which is often a bit unwarranted. Their power characteristics and smooth clutches and gearboxes make riding easy (even the supersports bikes compared with others) and they have a reputation for reliability, which all translates into blandness or not having character by jaded bike journalists who would rather thrill themselves on something like a Laverda Jota (for the uninitiated, a '70's bike that went like stink, usually into hedges) to liven up their day job.

You might like the fully faired version a bit better looks-wise. A Mk1 GT model has this, along with panniers and top box, which of course you don't have to have on except when you need them. But, yes, I think that you've got to get a bike that you can look at and admire and at the end of the day, a CBF1000 will either do that or not for you.
Title: Re: Considering a biffa
Post by: hairymonster on 15 April, 2019, 05:16:46 PM
The CB13 I had was the 'S' model with the white and red fairing, which reminded me of the old CB1100R Honda did in the 80s. That used to do it for me at garage opening time.

Being some 56 years old, I remember the Jota well, and always lusted after one, or I thought I did. The newer RGS1000 with the fairing and fuel filler flap at the front was gorgeous.

I also lusted after a Guzzi Le Mans 850, until I rode one. Incredibly uncomfortable, a throttle and clutch which needed wrists of iron to operate, a gear lever (on a new demo bike) which felt like it was connected to a washing up bowl full of loose gear wheels, instruments whose needles oscillated wildly back and forth, idiot lights which were invisible. It went nicely though.

Must say I like the biffa in red or blue with the full fairing.

Does the full fairing make much of a difference to weather protection or is it more for cosmetic purposes?

Cheers - phil
Title: Re: Considering a biffa
Post by: pedro on 15 April, 2019, 06:56:00 PM
Hard for me to say, I haven't ridden one in the rain with no fairing bottoms on. But the fully faired version is as good as anything at weather protection apart from the barn door type fairings. The main concern would only be the flow of air up-a-ways, the buffeting I mentioned.
Title: Re: Considering a biffa
Post by: hairymonster on 15 April, 2019, 09:19:11 PM
There are some high-mileage models knocking around on the used market, 60k+

Is there anything to be concerned about for that sort of mileage, beyond the usuals of suspension, bearings etc.

When is the 'big' service due, i.e. valve checks, possible camchain replacement?

How long do the clutches normally last? I ask this because the BMW R1100/R1150s do about 25-30k per clutch, the replacement of which involves a 4-figure spend at an independent.

Please excuse all the questions, but I do tend to go into detail once I'm considering something seriously.

Cheers - phil
Title: Re: Considering a biffa
Post by: phild on 16 April, 2019, 09:08:29 AM
I wonít ask your budget, but there are plenty of low mileage examples, of both MK1 and 2, to pick from.

Iíve got a MK2. Iíve had it from new (December 2012) and canít find any good reason to change it.

Although we donít do high mileages in UK, ever May we (my wife on her 2012 CBF600SA) go touring in Europe, covering 2000 plus each tour. Italy X2, Spain X3, going for the 4th time this May. Great bike and does everything I ask of it.

Title: Re: Considering a biffa
Post by: Leofric on 16 April, 2019, 08:13:43 PM
It doesn't make any difference to me (I am not on commission !  :002:) but my old 2012 CBF1000FA MK2 must be coming up for sale at Miles Kingsport, Hull ,shortly if you are interested. A good bike well looked after, 17,000 miles which isn't much for that engine.
Title: Re: Considering a biffa
Post by: Almekinders on 18 April, 2019, 08:16:34 PM
I've got a MK2 with over 80,000 miles on it and haven't encountered any problem. Mileage isn't much of an issue I would say. Regular maintenance of course is essential. In my opinion it is one of the most useful bikes money can buy although not the most exciting. I always think of it as a Toyota on two wheels, hardly exciting but ever so practical.
Title: Re: Considering a biffa
Post by: Scott_rider on 19 April, 2019, 02:02:48 PM
My two-penneth on the Biffa, having covered 8000 miles on my Mark 1 in about a year. My previous bikes were a Yamaha Fazer 1000, Triumph Speed Triple 1050, Honda CBR900RR FireBlade, Suzuki GSX-R750, Honda VFR750 amongst others...so that's what I compare it with...

Brakes - the linked system takes a bit of getting used to as the front brake on it's own isn't great but once you get used to always using the rear brake as well then the brakes are fine.

Size - it's a relatively small bike so a bit of playing around with the seat height and bar position is worthwhile to get a good fit.

Suspension - pretty good but not up to sportbike's standards...but it's not a sportsbike.

Engine - a peach of an engine, absolute peach. Loads of grunt right from tickover. Super smooth. Ideal for road riding. Not much top end, but you don't need it because of the low down grunt.

Fuelling - perfect fuelling

Screen - not good. Even my replacement MRA screen isn't that great.

Stator - mine failed in Austria. I've written about it on here. It's a weak spot on the Mark 1.

Tyres - rides and feels differently on different tyres. I'm on my third set. The first ones were Bridgestones and I changed them straightaway as they had a dead feel. I'm now on Pirellis which are superb.

Exhausts - runs much, much better with the standard exhausts.

Wonky bars - a lot of Mark 1's have wonky bars. There is a misalignment somewhere between the top and bottom yokes and the fork legs and the front fairing. I had mine set up on a laser rig. Still not perfect. But you get used to it.

In summary, my Biffa is way faster than my old Fazer 1000 up to 100mph but the Fazer 1000 would be faster after that. I reckon it's just about the same performance as my old 1050 Speed Triple, quicker than a VFR750, a lot slower than a FireBlade, and much more comfortable than a GSX-R.

There is something about the Biffa that is just 'right' if that makes sense  :018: