CBF1000

CBF1000 => General Maintenance, Servicing, and Mechanical => Topic started by: Slaughterman on 17 February, 2019, 10:59:09 PM

Title: Chain and sprocket set
Post by: Slaughterman on 17 February, 2019, 10:59:09 PM
Hello
I need to replace my chain and sprockets
My bike is a 2006 abs model
Can anyone point me in the right direction to what I need to buy chain and sprocket wise and where I can buy the items please
Title: Re: Chain and sprocket set
Post by: Leofric on 17 February, 2019, 11:41:59 PM
Are you fitting them yourself ?
Title: Re: Chain and sprocket set
Post by: Slaughterman on 18 February, 2019, 07:23:03 AM
Yes I'm going to
Title: Re: Chain and sprocket set
Post by: Leofric on 18 February, 2019, 06:28:42 PM
Why not search on internet for chain and sprocket set to suit your model of bike ,ebay or parts supplier like Wemoto ,Busters or numerous others .
Regards
Title: Re: Chain and sprocket set
Post by: Slaughterman on 19 February, 2019, 08:45:37 PM
 :460:Thanks
Title: Re: Chain and sprocket set
Post by: Shed on 20 February, 2019, 10:55:50 PM
e.g.

https://huntersmotorcycles.co.uk/part/1568/d-i-d-gold-x-ring-chain-jt-sprockets-kit

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HONDA-CBF-1000F-06-08-GOLD-XRING-CHAIN-AND-SPROCKET-KIT/300572962280?epid=1659271002&hash=item45fb8b6de8:g:CnkAAOSwqYhZ2AEF



Title: Re: Chain and sprocket set
Post by: iNCORRIGIBLE on 21 February, 2019, 08:42:51 AM
Thanks Shed.Really useful info.Ed. :031:
Title: Re: Chain and sprocket set
Post by: Slaughterman on 21 February, 2019, 11:17:46 AM
Thanks Shed
just ordered a set many thanks again
Title: Re: Chain and sprocket set
Post by: alexg on 21 February, 2019, 11:33:49 AM
Sportsbikeshop delivers in 1 day usually
Title: Re: Chain and sprocket set
Post by: Slaughterman on 21 February, 2019, 07:52:30 PM
Thanks Alex
Title: Re: Chain and sprocket set
Post by: Art on 24 February, 2019, 08:26:37 AM
+1 for the 85 D.I.D Gold X Ring Chain & JT Sprockets Kit

Same kit I purchased from bikespeedUK's eBay shop (DID 530VX G&B12ZB chain and JTF333.16, JTR302.43 sprockets) now 3 years and 20,000 miles later and still going strong on old school chain maintenance schedule.
Title: Re: Chain and sprocket set
Post by: Slaughterman on 24 February, 2019, 12:42:48 PM
Thanks Art
Title: Re: Chain and sprocket set
Post by: stu1000 on 24 February, 2019, 04:23:06 PM
Out of interest, what's the general opinion on the best tool to fit this chain? I've seen the Sealey ones on ebay but there's also a copy of the DID one too.
Title: Re: Chain and sprocket set
Post by: Art on 25 February, 2019, 11:49:12 AM
As far as the home mechanic is concerned then cheapest probably offers best value since its not going to be put to too much use. If I was buying another I opt for one of the eBay tools for around 12. What I have is an unbranded tool that I got for 35 from Wemoto some 10 years back. It's done half a dozen chains and shows no signs of wear and looks identical to an unbranded 12 tool a friend recently purchased off eBay.

Note for removing the worn chain grind the rivet heads off (I use a 50 mm grinding wheel on a spindle attachment in a drill chuck) before using the tool to push the link plate pins through. For assembly follow the instructions supplied with the tool but pay particular attention to the amount of flare to the rivet pin head.

DID chain tool instructions recommend flare dimensions of 5.7 mm to 6 mm (0.224" to 0.236") for their 530 VX motorcycle chain (a digital vernier gauge is your best friend here around 5.00 off eBay)
Title: Re: Chain and sprocket set
Post by: stu1000 on 25 February, 2019, 06:53:20 PM
That's a great help. Thanks very much.
Title: Re: Chain and sprocket set
Post by: adasel on 28 November, 2019, 01:32:03 PM
Hello everyone. I have a subject that I wonder. Do I have to change the chain and gearwhell together? Or is it enough if I just change the chain?
Title: Re: Chain and sprocket set
Post by: Art on 28 November, 2019, 02:46:58 PM
The drive chain and sprockets wear out together its normal to replace as a chain and sprocket kit. Fitting a new chain to worn sprockets will cause the chain to prematurely wear.
Title: Re: Chain and sprocket set
Post by: adasel on 29 November, 2019, 07:48:56 AM
Thnx for answer Art. But i have one more question?

There is no visible wear on the gears. Possibly micrometric wear. Is the wear of gear too small to be visible, disrupting the chain?


I thought it would be possible to renew it as the second change set in time. Because it is very costly to change as set.
Title: Re: Chain and sprocket set
Post by: Art on 29 November, 2019, 04:54:30 PM
Of course its possible to just replace the drive chain, just not an economic option in the long term because the new chain will wear out before its time. Question - How have you determined the chain is in need of replacement? I ask because I'd expect the sprockets to wear at a faster rate than a well maintained chain.

The correct and in my opinion the only way to measure chain wear is to measure the chain while it is under tension. Do this by applying some tension to the upper chain run so that all slack is taken out of the lower chain run, then measure across the centres of 17 link pins on the lower chain run to determine chain stretch. A perfect out of the box CBF 1000 5/8" pitch drive chain such as the DID 530 VX should measure 254 mm across 17 link pins. The chain manufacturers service limit for drive chains is +1% stretch which means that a measurement in excess of 256.5 mm would indicate a replacement chain is due.

Visible wear on the sprockets (gears) is not always easy to assess. One trick is to make cardboard templates of the new sprockets for future wear comparisons. Cost of drive chain and sprocket kit is not so expensive if you shop around. At my last replacement (September 2016)  I got DID530VX G&B12ZB, JTF333.16, JTR302.43 chain & sprocket kit from Bike Speed UK for 84.95. eBay is your friend  :001:

At your own risk and assessment if the sprockets are showing little or no sign of wear and there are no issues with the drive chain such as binding, seized links, failed 'X' rings etc  I've been known to leave my chains a little longer to say 1% or even 1% stretch (257 or 258 mm across 17 pins) but you do this at your own risk of any future chain failure. If you're unclear between the difference in 'worn' and 'worn out' stick to the chain manufacturers service limit of 1% stretch (256.5 mm across 17 link pins).

Title: Re: Chain and sprocket set
Post by: Shed on 30 November, 2019, 08:20:35 AM
*Originally Posted by adasel [+]
There is no visible wear on the gears. Possibly micrometric wear. Is the wear of gear too small to be visible, disrupting the chain?
I thought it would be possible to renew it as the second change set in time. Because it is very costly to change as set.

If they are damaged/worn as shown here, replace them. If not, don't bother.  :028:

4-21 - 4-25  https://bob.ollis-brown.co.uk/manuals/cbf1000/2006-2008-CBF1000-A-4%20MAINTENANCE.pdf
Title: Re: Chain and sprocket set
Post by: adasel on 02 December, 2019, 10:29:36 AM
Firstly thank you for your answers

My engine's odometer shows 28,000 km. For now, my chain and gear wheel  status is good. no problems with chain links and o-rings.  The teeth of the gear wheel are smooth. No broken and visible wear. But I think I'm going to have to change chains after 10,000 miles. Because the chain began to grow long.

Cost is a bit problematic in my country. Exchange rates and taxes are very high here. So I have to make the optimum cost calculation.


Let your wheel go straight  :300:
Title: Re: Chain and sprocket set
Post by: Art on 02 December, 2019, 11:52:18 AM
So what does your chain measure across the centres of 17 link pins?

I'd expect a well maintained chain & sprocket set to last longer than 28,000 Km (17,000 miles) but you say 'after 10,000 miles' (16,000 Km). You really should be getting more than that from a drive chain, I'd expect the original Honda factory fitted chain to last at least to 40,000 Km (25,000 miles).
Title: Re: Chain and sprocket set
Post by: adasel on 02 December, 2019, 02:13:32 PM
There is currently no emergency. I just wanted to learn about it. I prefer to buy spare parts in advance. this way better for my economic situation. I think the factory's chain will make 40,000 km. Maybe it can make it even longer in normal use. but I use two riders (with my wife) and 3 bags, full loaded.  40,000 km is normal under these conditions. I don't expect to its make more.  :028:
Title: Re: Chain and sprocket set
Post by: Art on 02 December, 2019, 04:09:36 PM
Just in time purchasing is the habit to be in. Although if you need the bike to be roadworthy day after day then a planned maintenance schedule is very sensible. Drive chain maintenance is the key to long chain life. Lubricate often, tension and clean whenever necessary. If you keep the acceleration smooth and engine braking in moderation then carrying a pillion and/or luggage will add little stress to the chain.

My chain maintenance schedule includes checking the tension and lubrication with a SAE 80 gear oil every 500 to 1000 miles or whenever I've been out in the rain. Cleaning with paraffin and re-lubrication every winter or whenever it becomes coated in road salts, debris or other road fling. If I'm away on tour or on a 2,000+ miler weekend ride I carry a can of spray lube. Any lube is better than none and spray lube is easier to apply on the road and essential if you're riding through hour after hour of hard rain. No sooner am I back home it gets a proper lubrication with the SAE 80 gear oil.