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Title: Spain 2019
Post by: phild on 07 October, 2018, 08:46:03 PM
We’re in the early planning stages of our 2019 tour.

We pick our furthest destination, then I plan our route accordingly.......never going the quickest or straightest way.

2016 was down through France, across Spain with the furthest destination being Lisbon (Portugal), back via Santander.

2017 was Santander, Gibraltar, Santander.

2018 was Santander, Granada, Santander.

These three trips have been outstanding.

Next year we thought about Cadiz for our furthest point, but I’m reading mixed reviews. Anyone been there who can give a fair review of the place?
Title: Re: Spain 2019
Post by: Scott_rider on 09 October, 2018, 12:51:59 PM
I've not been to Cadiz but I can recommend Ronda, if you've not been there? It's sort of enroute/nearby.

I've also got a good recommendation for an awesome zigzag route from Santander to Gibraltar but via the east of Spain, if that's any good? (not an exact gpx route but the towns to aim for).
Title: Re: Spain 2019
Post by: phild on 09 October, 2018, 05:03:27 PM
We stayed in the Parador overlooking the gorge, in Ronda, on our way down to Gibraltar.  :028:

Last year we went down the east coast, and back up inland to the east of Madrid, when we went to Granada.

Next year we intend to travel down the west of the country.  :028:
Title: Re: Spain 2019
Post by: Tumaca on 10 October, 2018, 02:59:48 PM
Just Galicia, Asturias and Cantabria are enough for a three weeks travel... And you will not see everything!

The fastest way is the called "ruta de la plata" but is quite boring for a motorbike.

I would recommend go down the border with Portugal. There are beautiful natural reserves with great roads.

There are so many outstanding places along the way from Santander to Cadiz that you can spend a month to arrive
Title: Re: Spain 2019
Post by: phild on 10 October, 2018, 04:22:13 PM
You’re right, the roads are fantastic and the ones we use are empty.

The N502 and routes off it were great two years ago, so we may be paying it a visit again.  :028:

We try not to use motorways, and our daily mileage rarely exceeds 170 miles (250-260 kilometres), so we can stop often. We also factor in a number of days off the bikes.  :001:
Title: Re: Spain 2019
Post by: Tumaca on 02 December, 2018, 06:40:48 PM
Hi.

I am not sure if you are asking for a way to go down from Santander to cadiz or a place in cadiz to stay some time.

In cadiz, what you can find and is famous for, are the beaches from Conil to Tarifa. I would recommend "Faro de Trafalgar" or 'Zahara de los Atunes". Both places have beatiful beaches (european blue flag).

For food, the tipycal is "pescaito frito" or "tortilla de chipirones".
Title: Re: Spain 2019
Post by: phild on 02 December, 2018, 07:37:15 PM
We’re happy with the route down to Cadiz, but Cadiz gets varying reviews as a place to stay.

We’ll be staying in Sevilla for a few nights, before moving on to the Cadiz area, so would love to stay in the historic centre of Cadiz.........but reviews are mixed.  :187:

Title: Re: Spain 2019
Post by: Tumaca on 02 December, 2018, 07:50:47 PM
Ok.

Here you have a list with the hotels in the centre of the city:

http://www.cadizturismo.com/alojamientos/?normalized_name__icontains=&location__cities__province__exact=1&location__cities__exact=176&distance__location__cities=&modality__in=2&__search_action=Search

And here some places to visit:

http://www.cadizturismo.com/turismo-cultural/?normalized_name__icontains=&location__cities__province__exact=1&location__cities__exact=176&distance__location__cities=&__search_action=Search

Is the official web.

I am not sure when are you going to come, but if you are planning to do in summer you should know that is really hot in Sevilla and Cadiz (above 40°). I would recommend to go on Abril-May (around 25°, the perfect weather to ride and for a walk in the city).
Title: Re: Spain 2019
Post by: phild on 02 December, 2018, 08:06:13 PM
Thanks, we are well aware of the temperatures and would never do a trip in summer. We usually travel in May, but even then, the last time we were in Seville in May 2017, it was 42 degrees the day we left!

Love your country and will continue to return.  :028:
Title: Re: Spain 2019
Post by: Sunset Rider on 02 December, 2018, 11:44:10 PM
*Originally Posted by phild [+]
Thanks, we are well aware of the temperatures and would never do a trip in summer. We usually travel in May, but even then, the last time we were in Seville in May 2017, it was 42 degrees the day we left!

Love your country and will continue to return.  :028:


Yes and that was just after the drenching I received the week before!!!! :001: :001: :001:  I cleared the weather for you.
Good to see you are still enjoying your touring. I did not make it to Europe this year.....but hopefully by June 2019.
Title: Re: Spain 2019
Post by: phild on 03 December, 2018, 09:37:49 AM
Didn’t miss much this year........18 days away and we had to put our waterproofs on for ALMOST the whole of...........one day!  :001:

We had yet another fantastic Spanish trip. Hoping to go again in May 2019.  :028:
Title: Re: Spain 2019
Post by: Sunset Rider on 03 December, 2018, 10:04:57 AM
Ha Ha.....you think you are funny....bah.
mind you last year's trip to ST Petersburg was exceptionally great except for the two days in Sweeden when we experienced rain....So I cant really complain.

Family health issues have prevented me from going to Europe this year.....Hopefully 2019 may be more kind to me. The plan is for Northern France through Strasbourg to Switzeland, Austria, Solevenia, Croatia and back through Southern France before returning to the UK. We will see.
Title: Re: Spain 2019
Post by: phild on 16 January, 2019, 08:43:58 PM
Ferry and all Hotels / Apartments booked.  :001:

Going Plymouth to Santander. First day going along the coast to Gijon, then following 'The Ruta De La Plata' south, staying in Leon (2 nights), Salamanca, Caceres, Seville (3 nights), Cadiz (2 nights). Returning north via Villanueva del Rey, Ciudad Real (2 nights), Oropesa, Valladolid (2 nights) and back to Santander.

Haven't finalised the full route yet, so not sure of total mileage. Nasty shock with the ferry price  :005:, went up £50 between checking quotes and final booking!  :232:

Happy to pass on prices etc if anyone is interested in planning their own trip. This is our main holiday of the year, so we don't tend to go budget with the accommodation. However, we've been able to get some great deals.  :001:

Roll on May.  :028:
Title: Re: Spain 2019
Post by: phild on 06 May, 2019, 08:56:37 PM
 :232: :232: :232:

Pont-Aven caught fire on 29th April and is still being repaired in Brest!

In 2016 it broke down causing us to change our plans, resulting in us having to ride down through France to Spain.

We’re due to travel this Sunday (12th), but haven’t been given any information from Brittany Ferries. They’ve cancelled crossings up until today, but haven’t said when they will resume.  :110:

Got fingers and toes crossed!  :003:
Title: Re: Spain 2019
Post by: davidjg on 07 May, 2019, 02:49:37 PM
Hope you have a great time. When you get to Caceres, check to see whether you are lucky enough to be there on a night when there is free music in the main square. We were there on a night when  there was a classical concert and it was fantastic with the stage lighting supplementing the normal scenic lighting of the Moorish/Roman towers and walls - we even enjoyed the music! They put rows of seats in the square but you could also sit in one of the restaurants bars in the square and hear and view the event whilst eating/drinking.
Title: Re: Spain 2019
Post by: phild on 07 May, 2019, 03:39:19 PM
Thanks for the tip Dave, but we won’t know until tomorrow whether or not we’re going. Brittany Ferries haven’t notified us, so I sent them an email, which states they are not sure if the ship will be back in service by our departure date. :003:

If the ferry isn’t repaired in time we’re not doing the 700 miles down through France again.  :110:

We did that in 2016 when the same ship broke down, and although we like touring France, long motorway days are just not our thing.

 :028:

Title: Re: Spain 2019
Post by: moayling on 07 May, 2019, 06:30:20 PM
Is there an alternative from Portsmouth to Santander or do they use the same ship
Title: Re: Spain 2019
Post by: phild on 07 May, 2019, 07:08:55 PM
Different ships but that route is full from people transferring from the Plymouth cancellations........that’s if there’s any spaces.

The knock on effect is also causing problems on the Roscoff and Irish routes. :003:

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Title: Re: Spain 2019
Post by: phild on 08 May, 2019, 08:36:28 AM
No cancellation email or text message.......Brittany Ferries website states timetable running to schedule.

Off to Spain on Sunday!  :001: :001: :001:
Title: Re: Spain 2019
Post by: moayling on 08 May, 2019, 10:51:19 AM
Happy Days. Have a good trip
Title: Re: Spain 2019
Post by: phild on 09 May, 2019, 03:46:46 PM
Bloody Buttocks......or words to that effect!!! :232:

Just had an email and text message to say our crossing on 12th has been cancelled!

They’ve got us on the 1800hrs crossing on Tuesday, but I’m not holding my breath. With it arriving on Wednesday evening, we’ll have to cut out two of our northern stopovers and do a 250 mile motorway stint to get us back on our time table by Thursday evening.

Just about to hit a bottle of red! :110:

Title: Re: Spain 2019
Post by: moayling on 09 May, 2019, 04:16:36 PM
I saw on our local news that a second Brittany ferries vessel spent all night in Plymouth with all the passengers on board due to engine failure. Quite disappointing. I have used them loads of times without a problem. Hope you get sorted
Title: Re: Spain 2019
Post by: phild on 09 May, 2019, 06:46:11 PM
With Brittany Ferries being the only UK to Spain operator there’s no competition.

Two ships down and thousands of people put out. If it was an airline they’d be more said about it, but unfortunately we’re at their mercy. :027:
Title: Re: Spain 2019
Post by: phild on 16 May, 2019, 08:29:59 PM
In Salamanca Spain......we made it. :046: :046: :046:
Title: Re: Spain 2019
Post by: moayling on 16 May, 2019, 10:23:20 PM
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Title: Re: Spain 2019
Post by: phild on 20 May, 2019, 09:58:01 PM
You’ve got to laugh, otherwise you’d cry. :110:

We lost the first 3 days of our holiday due to ferry being bust, and now it’s bust again! We’re not due to travel back until the 29th (in Seville at the moment) but they’ve already cancelled sailings until 22nd.

It’s starting to look like a motorway slog up through France. I’m looking at a route to St Malo, anyone got any overnight stop recommendations?

Our last night stop in Spain is about 120 miles south of Santander, so 800 miles to St Malo (or there abouts). I’m looking at two stops.  :028:
Title: Re: Spain 2019
Post by: Pan404 on 21 May, 2019, 08:30:08 PM
I hope Brittany Ferries are going to cover your additional costs
Title: Re: Spain 2019
Post by: greybeard 2 on 23 May, 2019, 09:35:54 AM
Hi i take it you have internet access,use booking .com as you are just blatting up France to the ferry go for the travel lodgey places.You get on site parking and somewhere to eat and usually just of the main roads so no searching in towns.Regards
Title: Re: Spain 2019
Post by: greybeard 2 on 23 May, 2019, 09:59:41 AM
Hi me again,be very careful with your speed in France.There now speed cameras everywhere and they only give 2/3 kmph tolerance .45 euro a pop. If you have a sat nav with up to date mapping and camera notification turn it ON,it is actually illegal in France to have it turned on but ha ho bugger em.Regards
Title: Re: Spain 2019
Post by: moayling on 23 May, 2019, 11:42:30 AM
Ace hotels through booking.com are good. Similar to Premier Inn
Title: Re: Spain 2019
Post by: phild on 23 May, 2019, 03:18:26 PM
Thanks for the replies.

Boat in dry dock again! Sailing on 29th Santander To Plymouth cancelled. Couldn’t get on the Bilbao to Portsmouth on 29th, but got on the Bilbao to Portsmouth on 28th. That’s A total of four lost holiday days, plus all the messing about cancelling some hotels and booking others.

£110 refund for the mileage from Santander to Bilbao, and Plymouth to Portsmouth.

At least it won’t be a 2 day slog to St Malo.

Although we love coming to Spain, Brittany Ferries have no competition for the routes, so this could be the last trip we do down here.

 :110:
Title: Re: Spain 2019
Post by: davidjg on 24 May, 2019, 06:27:20 PM
Sorry to hear of the problems with Brittany Ferries, but hope you had a great holiday. Unfortunately we  had to take the decision in 2016 that we would never travel to Spain with them again after 3 years of problems with their ferries and having to alter holiday dates, cancel hotels, alter routes to make up for lost days, threaten them with legal action (which worked in 2015 - were given lorry drivers cabins on the next ferry) etc. Never had those problems with the old LD line ferries, which used to be cheaper with bigger and better cabins and less facilities ( which we did not miss e.g. cinemas). It became obvious to us in 2016 that the Brittany ferries to Spain are on their last legs, and cannot be trusted  anymore - which your latest saga backs up. If I ever go back to Spain again (and I must say I really want to go back as I love the roads, culture and scenery etc) it would have to be with another ferry company ( none in existence at the moment) or the long route through France.
Title: Re: Spain 2019
Post by: phild on 24 May, 2019, 08:32:45 PM
We also had to change our plans in 2016 as well. We opted to go down through France, then diagonally across Northern Spain, into Portugal.

Luckily that year we were able to get back via Santander.

We were in Cadiz when we found out the Ferry from Santander was cancelled......via the Internet! Brittany Ferries didn’t contact us until yesterday.

We’ve been lucky getting on the Bilbao to Portsmouth, but a day earlier and a morning sail, so we need to be in Bilbao on Monday evening. In all we’ve lost out on 5 days holiday. Having a day off tomorrow, then two long days to Bilbao.  :110:

Spain is a fantastic country to tour on motorcycles. Will we be back.......not sure.