CBF1000

CBF1000 => CBF1000 - General Discussion => Topic started by: gemini8026 on 05 July, 2016, 04:37:47 PM

Title: Hey all, new user, look what I found in the back of my truck. Need some advice.
Post by: gemini8026 on 05 July, 2016, 04:37:47 PM
Hey guys.  Jeff in Sk, Canada here.  Been riding foir around 10 years on and off.  Learned on an old '82 GS 350, then bought myself a Kawasaki Z1000.  Sold it and took a few years off.  Found an old CB750 in a neighbors back yard and bought it.  It rekindled my passion for biking.  So I went on a mission looking for a newer machine.

Long story short, I found this guy.

2009 model year.   8000Km (or 5000 miles for you USA folks) .  Original tires.  Has ABS

It was a bike from a large auction liquidator so I have NO idea about its back story, but the price was right and judging from it's appearance it looks in really good shape.  I couldn't find any noticeable oil leaks or anything that had me worried.  I put in a low ball price and got it.

Loaded it up in the back of the truck and brought it home.  Went around the block once, and it seems everything is fine.  No lights are lighting up indicating any issues.

So now I want to get it properly serviced so I can ride it and make it mine.

Definite oil change + filter.  Cooling fluid is right near the low mark, should I drain or just top up?
Lube chain.

What else.  Im not overly bike savvy, but I want to ensure the right things are lubed and everything that needs to be checked should be.

Back tire is already being ordered as this one has minimal tread left (survived 8000km).  Can someone suggest which brand they prefer and what model.  Im not going thru the twisties too heavy, so Id like something that I could get many KM out of.

Any help/advice would be appreciated for a happy new CBf1000 owner.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-L8vq563/0/X3/i-L8vq563-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: Hey all, new user, look what I found in the back of my truck. Need some adv
Post by: Biker Mike on 05 July, 2016, 05:03:07 PM
 :405:
If you search on service manual, you'll find copies for both the model you have and the later version.
Both are worth downloading and will help answer many of your early questions.
If they don't, ask away as I'm sure the members here will provide the answers.
As for tyres, the most popular on this bike are Michelin PR4's or the earlier PR3's.
Title: Re: Hey all, new user, look what I found in the back of my truck. Need some adv
Post by: gemini8026 on 05 July, 2016, 05:16:24 PM
Super.  I found a high quality manual online.  I assumed I would have to order it, but lucked out.

Going to read through it here over lunch.

Any quick "must do" mods?!?  I dont think its worth dumping tons of cash into performance as Im not a speed demon, but I am always open to simple mods to free up the engine or have it running optimally for under 500$
Title: Re: Hey all, new user, look what I found in the back of my truck. Need some adv
Post by: Biker Mike on 05 July, 2016, 05:23:11 PM
Shouldn't need any mods.
After a full service, the bike should be good to go.
Only a couple of weaknesses in the early model: possible failing stator and sometimes tired suspension.
Neither should give you cause for concern at this stage.
Title: Re: Hey all, new user, look what I found in the back of my truck. Need some adv
Post by: J-man on 05 July, 2016, 05:32:54 PM
Good luck with the asset and  :405:
Title: Re: Hey all, new user, look what I found in the back of my truck. Need some adv
Post by: gemini8026 on 05 July, 2016, 06:08:45 PM
It seems motorcycle 10w30 isnt overly common at Walmart or Cdn Tire here.  Is using regular Synthetic 10w30 a mistake?!  Ive been searching online and there is a ton of various oils, but it seems 10w30 is rare for motorcycles.

Curious....
Title: Re: Hey all, new user, look what I found in the back of my truck. Need some adv
Post by: SaturnV on 05 July, 2016, 06:13:57 PM
*Originally Posted by gemini8026 [+]
2009 model year.   8000Km (or 5000 miles for you USA folks) .  Original tires.  Has ABS

Hey Jeff,
 :401:
Can't open your image file but that's a great discovery - very low mileage for year!  (mine is also 2009 but 20,000 miles).
Enjoy  :152:
Tim
Title: Re: Hey all, new user, look what I found in the back of my truck. Need some adv
Post by: alan sh on 05 July, 2016, 06:17:37 PM
*Originally Posted by gemini8026 [+]
It seems motorcycle 10w30 isnt overly common at Walmart or Cdn Tire here.  Is using regular Synthetic 10w30 a mistake?!  Ive been searching online and there is a ton of various oils, but it seems 10w30 is rare for motorcycles.

Curious....
You don't need synthetic - you can use 10-40 instead of 10-30

Alan
Title: Re: Hey all, new user, look what I found in the back of my truck. Need some adv
Post by: gemini8026 on 05 July, 2016, 06:27:57 PM
Thanks Alan.  I called the local dealership and they have regular 10w30, and 10w40 synthetic.  What would u recommend?  IS it worth the extra cash to go full synthetic?!
Title: Re: Hey all, new user, look what I found in the back of my truck. Need some adv
Post by: Markytp on 05 July, 2016, 07:16:42 PM
Welcome to the forum.

Sounds like you got a great deal  :028:
Title: Re: Hey all, new user, look what I found in the back of my truck. Need some adv
Post by: gemini8026 on 05 July, 2016, 07:37:39 PM
Thanks guys.  I paid 3900$ cdn for it, so thats roughly 3000$ usd.  I thought it was fair considering it looks barely ridden.  It spent the last 3 years in dusty storage.
Title: Re: Hey all, new user, look what I found in the back of my truck. Need some adv
Post by: richardcbf on 05 July, 2016, 07:39:35 PM
*Originally Posted by gemini8026 [+]
Thanks Alan.  I called the local dealership and they have regular 10w30, and 10w40 synthetic.  What would u recommend?  IS it worth the extra cash to go full synthetic?!
I'm not Alan, but hey ho....
https://www.canadasmotorcycle.ca/motul-5100-ester-4t-technosynthetic-oil.html (https://www.canadasmotorcycle.ca/motul-5100-ester-4t-technosynthetic-oil.html)
&
(http://i63.tinypic.com/jadoqa.jpg)
(Also attached as pdf)
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http://motorsportrider.net/Forum/forum.aspx?g=posts&m=78#post78 (http://motorsportrider.net/Forum/forum.aspx?g=posts&m=78#post78)
Title: Re: Hey all, new user, look what I found in the back of my truck. Need some adv
Post by: alan sh on 06 July, 2016, 09:46:45 AM
In my opinion (backed by over 40 years since I started riding), it is not worth it to go fully synthetic. The bike runs fine on semi.

Alan
Title: Re: Hey all, new user, look what I found in the back of my truck. Need some adv
Post by: SaturnV on 06 July, 2016, 10:06:24 AM
*Originally Posted by alan sh [+]
In my opinion (backed by over 40 years since I started riding), it is not worth it to go fully synthetic. The bike runs fine on semi.
Alan
:0461:  This is what I was recommended for my bike by 2 different bike service centres; others may have their own recommendations or favourite brands I guess:
http://www.silkolene.com/motorcycle/4-stroke-engine-oils/comp-4-10w-30-xp/ (http://www.silkolene.com/motorcycle/4-stroke-engine-oils/comp-4-10w-30-xp/)
Tim
Title: Re: Hey all, new user, look what I found in the back of my truck. Need some adv
Post by: 1madboiler on 06 July, 2016, 01:52:53 PM
Now get ready to shoot me down but for the last 3 oil changes I have used the correct jaso spec oil but it hasnt been bike specific, I just get 10w40 semi synth..no problems and no blown engine or slipping clutch...tyres i would go with Michelin PR4 ..on my 3rd rear, last one was replaced at 8700miles, front was replaced at 11500 miles (it was knackered though) This last rear one had a bit of meat left on but as i had an 1800 mile weekend planned i had to change it.
Title: Re: Hey all, new user, look what I found in the back of my truck. Need some adv
Post by: Ali-bear on 06 July, 2016, 05:00:22 PM
 :405:

The type of tyre you want is a "sport touring" tyre, there should be plenty of choice from the main brands.

Don't use car oil it will mess up the wet clutch. If it's been stood for that long it should get new brake fluid, and possibly the battery may have lost condition if it was left flat. Other than that just check it over, make sure everything works, everything that should move does freely with no friction or roughness, everything that shouldn't move doesn't.

Enjoy your ride  :152: these are great underrated bikes, plenty of power and sweet handling.
Title: Re: Hey all, new user, look what I found in the back of my truck. Need some adv
Post by: 1madboiler on 06 July, 2016, 06:09:03 PM
*Originally Posted by Ali-bear [+]
:405:



Don't use car oil it will mess up the wet clutch.
Not if you use the correct Jaso spec for the oil... I did over 30000 miles on my deauville and around 15,000 on the cbf... It's on 53000miles now with no ill effects,
Title: Re: Hey all, new user, look what I found in the back of my truck. Need some adv
Post by: Ali-bear on 07 July, 2016, 12:43:44 PM
*Originally Posted by 1madboiler [+]
Not if you use the correct Jaso spec for the oil... I did over 30000 miles on my deauville and around 15,000 on the cbf... It's on 53000miles now with no ill effects,

Ok but which oil was that then?
Title: Re: Hey all, new user, look what I found in the back of my truck. Need some adv
Post by: 1madboiler on 07 July, 2016, 01:37:10 PM
It was a Q8 10w40 that I found in a local motor factors, all the specs were correct and i used it first in the deauville. I have since gone onto using Asda 10w40. It was the owner of my bike testing station that put me on to it. He buys in bulk 10w40 for all of his older car servicing and used it in bikes too after the rep (I think its Millers) told him they produce oil for ASDA and there is no difference in the bike specific and car specific 10w40 semi synthetic. I have had no ill effects and neither has my clutch slipped..I understand its my choice but i am just putting it out there..its up to you if you want to use it.
Title: Re: Hey all, new user, look what I found in the back of my truck. Need some adv
Post by: Ali-bear on 12 July, 2016, 03:49:19 PM
*Originally Posted by 1madboiler [+]
... using Asda 10w40... there is no difference in the bike specific and car specific 10w40 semi synthetic... I understand its my choice but i am just putting it out there..its up to you if you want to use it.

Thanks for the tip  :028:
Title: Re: Hey all, new user, look what I found in the back of my truck. Need some adv
Post by: oznerol on 14 July, 2016, 04:07:22 AM
As long as there's no energy-conserving symbol on the container, you're good to go. I think it goes from 10W40 to 20W50 - oils in this range (car or truck oil) don't have that energy-conserving symbol. I just changed my oil in my bike with 20W50 Castrol, it was on sale for $18 for a 5 liter jug. So far, so good...didn't feel any clutch slip yet. It actually runs quieter. By the end of the summer, I plan to get the oil analyzed and see how well it performed, and report back here with the results.
Title: Re: Hey all, new user, look what I found in the back of my truck. Need some adv
Post by: J-man on 14 July, 2016, 06:32:08 AM
From JASO oil Specifications: (http://www.oilspecifications.org/jaso.php)

4T specifications

Modern passenger car engine oils contain more and more friction modifiers. While this is the good thing for those segments (reduces wear and fuel consumption) it's bad for the motorcycles. At least for those motorcycles which use engine oil to lubricate their transmission and wet clutch. JASO introduced the MA and MB specification to distinguish between friction modified and non friction modified engine oils. Most four-stroke motorcycles with wet clutches need a JASO MA oil.

JASO MA
    Japanese standard for special oil which can be used in 4-stroke motorcycle engine with one oil system for engine, gearbox and wet clutch system. Fluid is non-friction modified.
JASO MB
    MB grade oils are classified as the lowest friction oils among motorcycle four-cycle oils. Not to be used where a JASO MA grade oil is required.

More about MA and MB --> JASO MA and JASO MB classifications (http://www.oilspecifications.org/articles/JASO_MA_JASO_MB.php)

Both Mk1 and Mk2 manuals asks for: JASO T 903 standard: MA
Meaning no friction modifiers.
How much this all means in practice, I have no idea but would follow MA (or MA1 or MA2) directive for all my future bike oil.
Title: Re: Hey all, new user, look what I found in the back of my truck. Need some adv
Post by: Capnvini on 30 July, 2016, 12:00:06 AM
Welcome. Sounds like you got a nice bike. I'm out on Vancouver Island, drop by.
What happened to the old Honda 750?
Enjoy
Vince