CBF1000

CBF1000 => Lighting, Electrical, and Wiring => Topic started by: Bifferman on 09 October, 2012, 12:35:45 PM

Title: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 09 October, 2012, 12:35:45 PM
Actually quite interesting to see of all those who post (PLEASE post so we can get a representative sample) who are on the original stator and if not when it packed up.  You can tick more than one box if appropriate.
 
My Biff is an 06 on a July 07 plate, 12 1/2k smiles and the damn thing has not give up yet.  Am waiting for the day because all good things (replacement at Honda's expense) come to those who wait :015:
 
Andy
 
 :149:
 
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Danish on 09 October, 2012, 12:42:52 PM

2009 registered
17300 km
1 stator

Danish
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Nuff on 09 October, 2012, 12:54:10 PM
More than one replaced, replaced within 3 years were my ticks.
I'm on an A7 model on an 08 plate. First one went circa 14k miles(22,400km) about 27 months old. Second one went about 15k miles after that, almost 2 years exactly after.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 09 October, 2012, 01:08:07 PM
*Originally Posted by Nuff [+]
More than one replaced, replaced within 3 years were my ticks.
First one went circa 14k miles(22,400km) about 27 months old. Second one went about 15k miles after that, almost 2 years exactly after.

Hope for mine expiring within the 7 years then, best join 'relay'.  From what I read you don't pussy around in the rev stakes either.  I know it is natural for peeps who suffer this issue to be more likely to vote but so far the 1 in 20 bikes failure rate is looking realistic.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: McNabb on 09 October, 2012, 02:04:21 PM
17,500 miles/28,000 km's on mine when it went. 
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Steelworker on 09 October, 2012, 02:29:29 PM
I bought my Biffer new in November 2009 and have had no stator problem. Still original battery. Current mileage 13,107.
I don't expect it to pack up and it would be interesting to see what sort of mileages others have got on their original stator.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: andycbf on 09 October, 2012, 04:45:10 PM
 Bought new in 2008.

FSH. Failed after 30,000 miles and just over 4 years old.

Andy
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Liv0704 on 09 October, 2012, 05:09:00 PM
2009 cbf replaced under a Honda Canada recall at approx 3500 km.....
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: MilkyBarKid on 09 October, 2012, 05:17:07 PM
2007 registered.

Two stators replaced, if memory serves one at 16K (about 16 months after owning bike), one at 28K (almost a year to the day after the first was replaced) both under warranty.  Bike had 4K and was 2 1/2 years old when I bought her.

The first was taken from a brand new showroom bike, the second was an uprated model supplied direct from Honda.

MBK
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: BORN AGAIN BIKER on 09 October, 2012, 05:59:50 PM
Registered January 2012, 3.5k, no issues as yet  :001:
As I plan to keep the Mk1 for 4-5 years I am expecting it to fail at some stage  :007:

Graham
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Buzz54uk on 09 October, 2012, 06:17:21 PM
08 plate GT


Replacement at around 18000 miles
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Nuff on 09 October, 2012, 06:36:31 PM
*Originally Posted by Bifferman [+]

Hope for mine expiring within the 7 years then, best join 'relay'.  From what I read you don't pussy around in the rev stakes either.  I know it is natural for peeps who suffer this issue to be more likely to vote but so far the 1 in 20 bikes failure rate is looking realistic.

I try not to hang about. I very much enjoy riding "progressively". But I suspect the downside of that is that I'm pretty hard on my machines because they don't spend a long time in the lower rev ranges warming up before progressing into the upper half of the range.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: vfrphil on 09 October, 2012, 07:23:19 PM
'59 plate GT 10600 miles and still going strong on the original one, despite being dropped by my late father when he slipped on gravel.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: jontyg on 09 October, 2012, 07:33:44 PM
Jan 09 on a 58 plate 10,700 miles. Still on original stator. Always optimistic, so I'm not expecting any problems.  :084:  :164:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: ray smith on 09 October, 2012, 08:07:36 PM
May 06 model. owned from new. stator went at approx 17500 miles at 18 months old.
now 6yrs 5 months old with 65000 miles on it. hoping for a catastrophic failure :046: before May 2013 to get replaced under 7 yr warranty
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: kingstonr on 09 October, 2012, 08:09:51 PM
2006 Biffa with just over 18,000 miles.  Still going strong on original stator. Fingers crossed though.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: TNL on 09 October, 2012, 09:32:54 PM
MK1 2008, have blown 2 stators - first owner at 21K km and myself had the pleasure at 43K km, both changeouts done at the discretion of Honda DK ( after a lot of bulls**t  :495:)

Have a great winter - TNL
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: spanners on 09 October, 2012, 10:48:41 PM
Hi, 2009 registered A8 model, 10000 miles and still on the original (radiator's just gone though!!)
Battery died at less than 2 years
chris
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Piper on 09 October, 2012, 11:45:08 PM
13000, miles approx on a 2008 Mk1. Don't use it for commuting so my riding is manly in the open country with the occasional trip into London. Will start to worry a bit when I've over 20,000 on the clock as I intend to keep the bike a long time and maybe buy a spare stator for continental trips.
(I commuted across London for about 5 years some time ago using a Kawasaki ER5. Most folk on the ER5 forum had there regulator/rectifier fail between 10,000 and 30,000 miles, fortunately that was a easy and fairly cheap DIY repair mine went at about 20,000 miles and Kawasaki never offered any help to my knowledge. Honda aren't the only company with charging issues)
Pete
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: RogerG on 10 October, 2012, 08:35:23 AM
09 Reg, A7 model - 16,500 miles - no problems yet, but worry about it.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: JHero on 10 October, 2012, 10:09:23 AM
Registered June 2007, 15,900 miles, no problems and don't expect any. Glass half full not half empty person.
John 
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Sherman on 10 October, 2012, 11:22:16 AM
40,000 miles and still going well on the original.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: nothingfaced on 10 October, 2012, 11:54:25 AM
2009 ABS Mk1, 1 failed stator at 12k miles, replaced under warranty.

.... I didn't expect any problems with mine either until it burnt out on the way to work.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: johnstg2 on 10 October, 2012, 12:24:03 PM
2006, stator failed at 6000 miles, sold it with 15000 on the clock and bought a Mk II before the inevitable second failure.

So far 23 on the original stator, 12 had one failure, 3 had more than 1 failure - 1 in 20 figure starting to look a bit optimistic, me thinks. 1 in 2 looks closer, but it's still early days.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: coldrider on 10 October, 2012, 01:00:52 PM
I have 23k Kms on my 08 and not even a hint of a failure yet.  Must say though I dread being stranded somewhere out there far from the closest Honda Stealer, especially in the USA where they've never seen this bike.  Not sure how well the recovery service will work from down there either.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Danish on 10 October, 2012, 01:18:10 PM
On the german forum I counted still on the original stator:

30-40.000 km.........20 Cbf
40-50.000 km...........11 Cbf
50-60.000 km............5 Cbf
60-70.000km.............2 Cbf
70-80.000 km...........1 Cbf
80-90.000 km...........1 Cbf
143.000km...............1 Cbf

Danish         
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 10 October, 2012, 03:10:49 PM
*Originally Posted by Liv0704 [+]
2009 cbf replaced under a Honda Canada recall at approx 3500 km.....

Liv
 
Honda Canada doing a recall  :187:  or had yours actually failed at 3,500 km ?  If a recall can you supply details of the recall for us in the UK please.
 
Andy
 
 :149:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Thiss on 10 October, 2012, 05:02:57 PM
2009 Model
26,000 miles
All original parts  :002:

Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: fritsh on 10 October, 2012, 08:02:54 PM
MK1 2007.
1st replacement under warranty in 2009 (about 40.000 Km).
2nd failure in 2011 (about 69.000 Km). It was not replaced but repaired (rewinding).
Now the clock reads 92.000 Km.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: LenL on 11 October, 2012, 02:00:00 AM
Mk1  3 yrs old    21000 km :002:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: riles on 11 October, 2012, 02:38:14 PM
Mk1A, 2007, 6k. Fingers crossed.
R
Did anyone get a recall from Honda before a failure? If so, which country?
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Archer on 11 October, 2012, 03:47:51 PM
2006 MK1 ABS 6.5k miles  :161:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: McNabb on 11 October, 2012, 04:15:14 PM
There have not been any official recalls that I know of.  Just extended warranties/repairs on the stator/flywheel components.  The Canadian one was not a recall, but extended the stator warranty an additional 7 years (the original warranty was only 1 year)
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: LeftCoastKen on 11 October, 2012, 04:19:40 PM
2008 CBF100A8 (Canadian MKI), 29,000 km, original stator.  I checked out my documentation last night and Honda Canada actually extended the warranty to 10 years for the stator, but no recall.

Cheers,
Ken
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: billy.whizz on 11 October, 2012, 08:51:26 PM
im on my second cbf mk1 first did 19000 miles and then i sold it was a 2009 mdoel, second one is still a a9 but reg 2011 year done 3500, do i expect it too fail ,yes i think so cos im keeping this one till i cant ride anymore  :oldie:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 12 October, 2012, 02:54:11 PM
Haven't gone through all the responses but on the face of it, it looks like the ratio of non fail : fail is working out at closer to 2:1 never mind 20:1 or higher.  Quite a few who have not experienced a failure yet are waiting for the day but the bit than made me smile was the optimists who don't think it is going to happen.   
 
There is no end date on the poll and if circumstances change and you suffer a failure you can change your voting.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: johnstg2 on 12 October, 2012, 07:54:37 PM
Just had a thought - Honda now has an upgraded stator which gets fitted when the originals burn out. So when did they start fitting the upgrade to new Mk I's in the factory? If this change occurred in, say 2009, it could be that owners of later bikes are voting in the poll. This will skew the figures, suggesting the old style stators are more reliable than they are.

Any idea when the stator design was changed on new bikes?
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Goldfish on 12 October, 2012, 08:47:56 PM
3 1/2 years old, 22000 miles. Upgraded parts coutesy of Honda.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Nuff on 13 October, 2012, 07:40:31 AM
I had a stator fail mid 2010 which was replaced with the original "duff" part. If I recall correctly the first mentions of upgraded parts occured slightly after that, so as a ballpark I would say late 2010/early 2011. By my reckoning that means all mark 1 machines will be susceptible to this problem (that's not the same as saying all mark 1 machines will suffer this problem)
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: johnstg2 on 13 October, 2012, 02:54:39 PM
*Originally Posted by Nuff [+]
I had a stator fail mid 2010 which was replaced with the original "duff" part. If I recall correctly the first mentions of upgraded parts occured slightly after that, so as a ballpark I would say late 2010/early 2011. By my reckoning that means all mark 1 machines will be susceptible to this problem (that's not the same as saying all mark 1 machines will suffer this problem)

Seems amazing that Honda made (or procured) the same useless stator for 5 years, and perhaps another 2 years before that on the Fireblade, before they did anything about it!

Anyway I'll leave this thread for poll respondents now.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Nuff on 13 October, 2012, 03:21:23 PM
 :0461: But ours is not to reason why. It's frustrating for sure.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Backfire on 13 October, 2012, 05:53:22 PM
Registered March 2007. Stator and Flywheel replaced just after its 5th birthday at about 24,500 miles.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Josiah on 13 October, 2012, 06:03:08 PM
3 years and 14000 miles, now on 22 000 miles on 2nd

Josiah
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: G200Sleepr on 17 October, 2012, 02:27:10 AM
3 1/2 years, 36000km Original Stator... Dont jinx me now PLEASE!!!!!!


G2.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Liv0704 on 17 October, 2012, 06:54:10 AM
*Originally Posted by Bifferman [+]

Liv
 
Honda Canada doing a recall  :187:  or had yours actually failed at 3,500 km ?  If a recall can you supply details of the recall for us in the UK please.
 
Andy     
 
 :149:
I,m going by what the previous owner had told me, but I will call Markham Honda to find out what was actually done next week.that is where the work was done.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Liv0704 on 17 October, 2012, 02:49:52 PM
Managed to get time to call the dealer re the stator,,,,the replacement was done under warranty  and there is  no recall and the battery was replaced as well, the bike has only 5500 km on it as of today. She said it is possible that the previous owner bugged them to death to change it,,,lol
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: mikewhi on 17 October, 2012, 04:00:18 PM
06 plate A6 model and original stator with 12000 miles. Knowing my luck it will go just outside the seven year warranty.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 17 October, 2012, 07:16:58 PM
*Originally Posted by mikewhi [+]
06 plate A6 model and original stator with 12000 miles. Knowing my luck it will go just outside the seven year warranty.

Yours and mine and then 800 squids - bugger that if my stator failed I would replace the stator only and certainly NOT be minded to splash out on £500  on a flywheel, stupid price by any standards.
 
Does anybody know if the flywheels (and stators) on the MK2 are the same as the replacement ones on the MK1 ?  Just a thought :188:  maybe useful for future reference when MK2's start appearing in the knackers yards.
 
Andy
 
 :149:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: 4ShoreRider on 19 October, 2012, 11:18:36 AM
Have a 2008 biffer that a warranty recall was done by Honda Canada, but did not replace it as it works fine, and there was no obvious problem (35000 km). Having said that, it will probably quit on me today when I go to work. LOL
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: roadkill on 20 October, 2012, 03:33:04 PM
2007 biffer 40,000 miles. stator number 4 just packed up. time to get rid of it. honda... never again
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Piper on 20 October, 2012, 03:43:29 PM
*Originally Posted by roadkill [+]
2007 biffer 40,000 miles. stator number 4 just packed up. time to get rid of it. honda... never again
That's amazingly unlucky roadkill. Can you tell us what sort of riding you do. Commuting/short journeys in heavy slow moving traffic. or long tours etc. And did honda replace all 4 of them all their cost.  :084:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: roadkill on 20 October, 2012, 03:56:25 PM
Hi Piper. I use the bike for commuting 20 miles a day & longer rides at weekends. The first 2 were replaced under warranty, Honda charged me for the 3rd & the 4th was done by a local bike shop with non oem parts. had to pay for that obviously. Funny how the Honda main dealers never mentioned an extended warranty though !
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Danish on 20 October, 2012, 04:08:05 PM
Roadkill, there is an upgrated stator from Honda now. But for many hours of riding it can probably still happen..

The score is now 67,7% to 26,1% (61 cbf). When we had the poll in 2010 it was 83,3% to 16,8% (143cbf)

Danish
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Rev Ken on 20 October, 2012, 07:15:14 PM
*Originally Posted by roadkill [+]
2007 biffer 40,000 miles. stator number 4 just packed up. time to get rid of it. honda... never again

Well you could still get a free replacement guaranteed for a few more years! You are either the unluckiest rider on this forum, or your riding is different to most of us - what sort of riding and roads do you do? It might add to the information on why some riders suffer more problems, and what sort of riding causes the stator to give up.

What are you looking for in your next bike? (I bet you will be looking at some of the other forums to see what might lie ahead for the unfotunate or the unlucky!)
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: DerekMc on 21 October, 2012, 12:48:44 AM
Mine's a 2009 with about 5000 km's on her.

Derek
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: roadkill on 21 October, 2012, 02:16:41 AM
Hello Ken & Danish, I don't think I'm doing anything differeent in terms of types of riding. A lot of 'A' roads 60ish MPH occasional motorways 70ish. The second replacement was supposedly an upgraded component [Honda main dealer]. As to what to get as  a replacement I don't really now, I bought the Honda as they where reputed to be a reliable make. As its my only means of transport this is very important to me. With money being tight at the moment I will give Honda a ring and see if they'll replace it again, although I doubt it as they made me pay for the second replacement.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 21 October, 2012, 08:51:08 AM
*Originally Posted by roadkill [+]
2007 biffer 40,000 miles. stator number 4 just packed up. time to get rid of it. honda... never again

FOUR  :005:    That must be a record for the CBF1000.  You still haven't let us in on the detail though which would be useful both for the forum generally and perhaps to aid suggestions for you. 
 
For each of the replacements could you tell us (a)  roughly when they occurred both in terms of approx mileage and date and (b) what was actually replaced i.e. stator only or stator flywheel.  (c) for the two Honder dealer replacements, which dealer.  Also when in 2007 was your bike registered - your posts suggest that you had the bike from new, a pity you hadn't joined the forum earlier.
 
I am surprised that Honda made you pay for the 2nd replacement whilst under warranty but in the earlier days of these failures Honda simply refused to hold their hands up and take the issue seriously.   Also the 7 year extension only came in relatively recently in the last year and before that how dealers dealt with stator failures, particularly outside the 2 year  warranty varied enormously.   I think it was either Fatharry or Sherman  (can't remember - approaching middle age rapidly) who has had three failures :087: and the third Honda refused to pay for but this may have been out of the 2 year warranty.   Generally manufacturers have a policy of replacement parts provided under a warranty claim heave a warranty that expires at the end of the original warranty period and not the 'normal' 12 months on spare parts.  This is NOT good if your stator failed at say 20 months into the warranty period and you then suffered another failure say 9 months later - the warranty on the 1st replacement expired when the original warranty expired and NOT 12 months from when the 1st replacement was made.  I have always thought that this was unfair but all manufacturers do this. 
 
I am not sure whether anybody has had a failure yet having received a new stator/flywheel combination since the part numbers changed indicating that the parts have actually been altered - Anybody who has please will you report on the VOSA thread so we can keep track of more easily.   
 
Roadkill, FWIW I think you need to have a long chat with your Honda dealer and get them onside before they speak with Honda UK but I have to say that if you have had your last two stators replaced by a non Honda dealer and with non original parts (who manufactured/supplied these parts ?) it may be pushing Honda UK's 'discretion' on whether they supply/fix your 4th failure BUT you never know.  The rapport you have with your Honda dealer could well have a significant bearing on success.   Honda have discretionally extended they warranty on failing stators to a total of 7 years but this has never been formalised and Honda insist that they look at each failure on a an individual basis once outside  the original warranty period.  It is still worth a go though as stator and flywheel alone cost north of £700 (the flywheel is about £500). 
 
Andy
 
 :149:
 
 
 
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 21 October, 2012, 08:56:23 AM
Just in case you have missed it - If you have experienced more than one failure the poll does allow multiple votes, so please make sure you have registered all your stator failures not just one of them.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Danish on 21 October, 2012, 12:56:45 PM
*Originally Posted by roadkill [+]
Hello Ken & Danish, I don't think I'm doing anything differeent in terms of types of riding. A lot of 'A' roads 60ish MPH occasional motorways 70ish. The second replacement was supposedly an upgraded component [Honda main dealer]. As to what to get as  a replacement I don't really now, I bought the Honda as they where reputed to be a reliable make. As its my only means of transport this is very important to me. With money being tight at the moment I will give Honda a ring and see if they'll replace it again, although I doubt it as they made me pay for the second replacement.

The new upgraded stator was introduced in august 2011 (First time we heard about it). It has partnumber 31120MFAD02. As Bifferman say the flywheel should also be changed, because it can be too strong. I´m not sure what Honda have changed on the stator, but probably more clearence for better oilflow. They burn in the powerexit.

Danish
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: lew600fazer on 24 October, 2012, 11:20:59 PM
*Originally Posted by LeftCoastKen [+]
2008 CBF100A8 (Canadian MKI), 29,000 km, original stator.  I checked out my documentation last night and Honda Canada actually extended the warranty to 10 years for the stator, but no recall.

Cheers,
Ken
10 year warranty, safe bet really , due to your climate would equate to 3 years in real terms surely?? still better than most I would suspect
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Brit182 on 25 October, 2012, 09:56:09 AM
Wow! That four stator hit is awful, not to mention a puzzle. From roadkill's description of use that's pretty much what my 07 was used for and I only lost one in 22,000 miles. 
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: JETFIXER on 26 October, 2012, 12:40:23 AM
Will someone vote on my behalf?
I hate tempting fate :187:
I was only thinking a couple of weeks ago that I had been lucky never to have had a puncture, blow me went out to go home and the rear was flat with a 6" nail stuck in it :110:
My Biff is just on 27k miles and still original stator.
I think you all know I dont stick rigidly to the national or motorway limits and fracture most of the speed laws :164: but the speeds I do are constant for several hours at a time. the stator case does get hot but I think my cooling system is working well.
I hope I havn't tempted fate!!
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Steelworker on 26 October, 2012, 11:44:26 AM
I've never really got my head around this stator issue. Why do some fail and some just carry on OK? After all, you would expect some common reason for failure if it's the same universal fitting on the Mark 1.
My bike is 3 years old now and although I do 4 or 5 fairly long tours during the warmer months, I primarily use it for the daily commute, 5/6 days a week, every week since I bought it new.
This is only a 9 mile each way journey through SW London, slow moving - stop/start and filtering. Haven't had any battery problems either.
Like you Jetfixer, I hope I'm not tempting fate (but I'm just going to find a bit of wood to touch!)
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Brit182 on 26 October, 2012, 12:43:24 PM
Steelworker,

The random nature of it all is a really big question. Mine went at 15,000 and was then fixed and perfect for another 7,000 when I traded it in. Others have done well over 40,000 and never had a failure. Some as you will have seen have had more than one go.

The fault is known and the cure is available but just when they decide go is all part of the aggravation.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: chippy4467 on 06 November, 2012, 09:21:34 PM
Revised Rotor & Stator fitted last week to Mk1 A7 under extended warranty at 5 years 6 months and 46000 miles  :001:

Chippy
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: rossmackay on 08 November, 2012, 10:45:47 PM
10 plate Mk1, 23K miles, still on original stator. Contacted original owner who confirmed it hadn't been replaced.

Looking for a lump of wood.......
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: stusbluecbf on 10 November, 2012, 10:28:39 AM
2007 model
1st stator replaced at 40,000 at just under 3 years old (honda paid)
2nd stator replaced at 62,000 miles in May this year
 
 Stu
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Airgar on 10 November, 2012, 02:21:30 PM
2008 with 43000 kms on the clock. No issues, not expecting any but like everyone else, if it goes, it had better before the extended warranty period. Battery replaced last spring though. (knock on wood...)
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: perakis on 18 December, 2012, 07:18:30 AM
2006 model, 52000 km, no issues and not expecting issues
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: tortoise on 18 December, 2012, 09:28:24 AM
still on original stator 09 16000 miles fingers crossed
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: iany on 29 December, 2012, 08:08:23 PM
Hi,bought my CBF 1000 new April 2007.Now done 16500 miles and everything is original except for tyres.What are the symptoms of a Stator on the way out as my CBF has recently started having starting issues.Sometimes it starts fine and another time you may have to turn it over for ages but its always started eventually.Had electrics checked at dealer and they couldn"t find a fault.Its niggling me abit as I"m off to Manx GP Classic for the first time this year and I dont want it letting me down then.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Piper on 29 December, 2012, 09:21:07 PM
Have you ever replaced the battery. If its the original then you are doing really well for a 2007 bike. Most seem only to last only 3 to 4 years on this bike. I replaced mine at 3 years as I was having starting issues, its been fine for the last year on the new battery.

Pete
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Nuff on 29 December, 2012, 11:17:20 PM
I did not notice any symptoms either time mine failed, until it was too late.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: coldrider on 30 December, 2012, 11:39:55 AM
Replaced my battery after 4 years as a precautionarty measure.  Now have a lithium battery (Antigravity) installed that is much more powerful and has more ampacity as well.  Expect it will last quite a while.  Bike starts instantly every time.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: johnstg2 on 30 December, 2012, 12:12:19 PM
When I sold my MK I it was 5 years old and still had the original battery with no issues, so some of them do last a while. I know it's something quite different but my car is now 9 years old and the original battery is still working fine.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Nevman on 30 December, 2012, 03:15:24 PM
Not sure if this has been mentioned as I don't really got time to read the whole thread, but just read on one of the polish forums that Honda has extended warranty for all their stators until 2013 even for 2006 models. Not sure if this includes whole Europe/World but Honda Poland does replace failed stators FOC.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: clog rider on 31 December, 2012, 03:14:03 PM
Hi all,

Still on original stator, but have got a battery charge indicator (just in case!)

2008 model, about 18,000 miles on the clock.

Ron
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: cabobiker on 31 December, 2012, 03:50:35 PM
Still on origional stator with no signs of problems. 06 model with 34500 miles on clock. Always on charger when garaged.
Have to say always a little apprehensive when out now. Does anyone recommend carrying a new one when travelling ??   :465:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: cabobiker on 31 December, 2012, 03:52:30 PM
 :oldie: Forgot to say. Still on origional battery. Again with no problems
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Rev Ken on 31 December, 2012, 05:34:29 PM
*Originally Posted by cabobiker [+]
Still on origional stator with no signs of problems. 06 model with 34500 miles on clock. Always on charger when garaged.
Have to say always a little apprehensive when out now. Does anyone recommend carrying a new one when travelling ??   :465:

Definitely, so long as you also take a spare tyre, and a spare battery, and of course chain and sprocket set as well as a rear disc as they can warp. Oh I forgot, a set of bulbs might be handy as well. :164: (I guess you now know what I think, so unless you are going out into the wilds where there is no civilisation - we even have it up here in the Lakes - I wouldn't bother, especially as you can get a replacement guaranteed for 7 years from Honda IF yours goes 'bang'. :158:

Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Nuff on 31 December, 2012, 05:47:45 PM
*Originally Posted by Nevman [+]
Not sure if this has been mentioned as I don't really got time to read the whole thread, but just read on one of the polish forums that Honda has extended warranty for all their stators until 2013 even for 2006 models. Not sure if this includes whole Europe/World but Honda Poland does replace failed stators FOC.

Yes, that's been mentioned on here a lot. It's the standard 2 year warranty plus a further 5 on the stator. 2006+2+5=2013. Of course on a 2010 model, you're covered until 2017.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: johnstg2 on 31 December, 2012, 07:05:08 PM
Just realised the 7 year warranty is almost over for early models...
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Nevman on 01 January, 2013, 01:53:25 PM
*Originally Posted by Nuff [+]
Yes, that's been mentioned on here a lot. It's the standard 2 year warranty plus a further 5 on the stator. 2006+2+5=2013. Of course on a 2010 model, you're covered until 2017.
thanks for clarification and sorry for being lazy and not reading the whole thread ;) :431:

Also, in my opinion, the warranty should be mileage limited, not age!
For example the bike I bought is 2006 with only 15k miles on the clock, which means that the stator may not be as used and prone to damages as say 2009 model with 30k miles on the clock.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: iany on 01 January, 2013, 04:06:37 PM
Phoned my local dealer yesterday(Lings Ipswich) and they confirmed a 7 year warranty on the stator.They told me they had only had 3 in for replacement(2 CBFs and a Fireblade).Doesn"t sound many too me considering how many they must have sold.I like to think they told me the truth.
I will try a new battery for my poor starting problem,thanks for the posts.
One thing still niggles me.Its useful Honda giving an extended warranty and not too bad if your Stator gives up on the way to work but if your off with your mates on a biking holiday its abit more frustrating.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Nuff on 02 January, 2013, 12:21:23 AM
*Originally Posted by iany [+]
They told me they had only had 3 in for replacement(2 CBFs and a Fireblade).Doesn"t sound many too me considering how many they must have sold.I like to think they told me the truth.

By that same logic you must come to the conclusion that it's more likely NOT to fail than to fail.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: arizonarocket on 18 February, 2013, 10:36:42 PM
1 replaced at 22,000 km and another about 44,000.

I'll let ya know how I make out at 66,000 this month :/

Cheers,

-AR
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Oldie on 19 February, 2013, 02:40:54 PM
I sold my biffer on Saturday and I suppose it was partly because I was getting uneasy about seeing these stator failures posts so often. I know that all bikes have issues but I prefer to live in ignorance  :112:

It's possibly less of a worry if you don't travel abroad that much, but I do and you can't exactly carry a spare with you, just in case.

In reality, there are probably very few failures but it lodged in the back of my mind and that was enough. I'm sure that my bike will now turn out to be the most reliable one that Honda ever made  :138:

Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Rev Ken on 19 February, 2013, 02:45:34 PM
*Originally Posted by Oldie [+]
I sold my biffer on Saturday and I suppose it was partly because I was getting uneasy about seeing these stator failures posts so often. I know that all bikes have issues but I prefer to live in ignorance  :112:

It's possibly less of a worry if you don't travel abroad that much, but I do and you can't exactly carry a spare with you, just in case.

In reality, there are probably very few failures but it lodged in the back of my mind and that was enough. I'm sure that my bike will now turn out to be the most reliable one that Honda ever made  :138:

Oh dear....... :431: So what bike this time? I can't think of one more reliable, unless it is a Honda C90 :164: (and you could have got a 7 year warranty IF it failed!) :169:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Westy on 19 February, 2013, 02:48:45 PM
*Originally Posted by Oldie [+]
I sold my biffer on Saturday and I suppose it was partly because I was getting uneasy about seeing these stator failures posts so often. I know that all bikes have issues but I prefer to live in ignorance  :112:

It's possibly less of a worry if you don't travel abroad that much, but I do and you can't exactly carry a spare with you, just in case.

In reality, there are probably very few failures but it lodged in the back of my mind and that was enough. I'm sure that my bike will now turn out to be the most reliable one that Honda ever made  :138:


A bit like me with my last bike, VTR 1000. Again a Honda. There was an issue with the cam chain tensioners that was forever at the back of my mind. I ain't too worried about this stator issue as as far as I can see, Honda will replace mine at the moment if it goes and with the VTR, if the CCT went, it meant an engine rebuild.
For the record, my Biffer's at 33000 miles. There's a s**t load of service history with it but no mention anywhere of a new stator.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Oldie on 19 February, 2013, 04:52:21 PM
*Originally Posted by Rev Ken [+]
Oh dear....... :431: So what bike this time? I can't think of one more reliable, unless it is a Honda C90 :164: (and you could have got a 7 year warranty IF it failed!) :169:
Went for a Transalp this time. The tweaked Deauville engine feels very strong in this set-up, and it's a good bike to take on tour. Feels uncannily similar to my (completely different) 1100GS and fits me well. It's a bike that I've often thought about but never had any reason to buy one, but there it was, sat in the local dealers asking to be bought. It's a good bike, but so are most, at least to my way of thinking.

In terms of the Biffer, I reckon that it is probably the best all rounder that I've ridden - a really well designed bike with a good dollop of hooligan, if required. The stator issue was only one reason that I sold it, the other (and possibly the main one) was more to do with my great aptitude at squandering money  :003:

(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=ssl:lh5.googleusercontent.com/-qLDjQxw4f2I/USDXW-P9MZI/AAAAAAAAC2s/K6KMqAFSQuQ/s800/2013-02-17%252009.22.26.jpg)
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: willf1972 on 05 March, 2013, 01:38:00 PM
My 2006 Biffer is still on its original stator (15000 miles)  :028:
I know my stator warranty will expire this year but as I love the bike, it certainly doesn't put me off enjoying it!  :300:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Lew4406 on 05 March, 2013, 05:03:38 PM
I have no idea what a bloody stator is nor do I want to know, my bike is a 2011 MK1 with 5300 miles on the clock the previous owner might have had it replaced but not that I know of or what the service manual is telling me.  I have seen a number of posts about this and I ignore then due to my lack of tecnical knowledge  :027:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Rev Ken on 05 March, 2013, 05:11:10 PM
*Originally Posted by Lew4406 [+]
I have no idea what a bloody stator is nor do I want to know, my bike is a 2011 MK1 with 5300 miles on the clock the previous owner might have had it replaced but not that I know of or what the service manual is telling me.  I have seen a number of posts about this and I ignore then due to my lack of tecnical knowledge  :027:

You don't need to know anything about it as IF it fails your battery won't charge and you will come to a stop. THEN you'll at least know what it does! :087: (But with any luck you'll never need to know....) :123:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 06 March, 2013, 10:57:35 AM
*Originally Posted by Lew4406 [+]
I have no idea what a bloody stator is nor do I want to know, my bike is a 2011 MK1 with 5300 miles on the clock the previous owner might have had it replaced but not that I know of or what the service manual is telling me.  I have seen a number of posts about this and I ignore then due to my lack of technical knowledge  :027:

Lew,   You are forever wittering on about having a complete lack of technical knowledge, pretty unusual for a biker, which probably means that you have more (Teck Know that is) than the rest of us combined but are keeping schtum :164: .
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Nuff on 06 March, 2013, 11:29:33 AM
*Originally Posted by willf1972 [+]
My 2006 Biffer is still on its original stator (15000 miles)  :028:
I know my stator warranty will expire this year but as I love the bike, it certainly doesn't put me off enjoying it!  :300:

That's low mileage! Wow.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Nevman on 06 March, 2013, 12:19:09 PM
*Originally Posted by willf1972 [+]
My 2006 Biffer is still on its original stator (15000 miles)  :028:
I know my stator warranty will expire this year but as I love the bike, it certainly doesn't put me off enjoying it!  :300:
Same here! 2006 and only 14200 miles on the clock!
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Ossymosis on 06 March, 2013, 07:59:33 PM
Mines an 06 and I've just clocked 16000. Over 3000 of them have been done since July when I got her. Time for the service me thinks.

Ossy
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 06 March, 2013, 08:10:05 PM
With the 7 year barrier approaching for some and not so far behind for others, if only we knew what was actually causing the stator to fail then precipitative action could follow by the more scurrilous amongst us - hah ! as if this would cross anyones mind  :005: .  Wash my mouth out with soap and water :164: .
 
Let me smack my own botty before anybody does it for me  :192: :192:  oooh, nice  :027: .
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Mish on 06 March, 2013, 11:22:58 PM
*Originally Posted by Lew4406 [+]
I have no idea what a bloody stator is nor do I want to know, my bike is a 2011 MK1 with 5300 miles on the clock the previous owner might have had it replaced but not that I know of or what the service manual is telling me.  I have seen a number of posts about this and I ignore then due to my lack of tecnical knowledge  :027:

Me neither!  Though I've learnt more about bikes in the last month than I'd thought possible... 

Btw, mines a 2006 with 6700 miles  :152:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 07 March, 2013, 10:14:02 AM
*Originally Posted by Mish [+]
Me neither!  Though I've learnt more about bikes in the last month than I'd thought possible... 

Btw, mines a 2006 with 6700 miles  :152:

Hope the pics help you.  Shows what happens to the stator if you are unfortunate enough to suffer this fate.
 
Nice colour bike bye the way, mine started off that colour until Honda gave it a shock and it turned into Pearl :062: White.
 
Andy
 
 :149:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Rustyrig on 07 March, 2013, 11:24:12 AM
72.5 % is a good statement for the positive, so being blunt a 27.5% chance of failure, but with Honda's stance stating that they will replace it there really is no case to answer, having said that would I want to tour with that in the back of your mind as long as you have good recovery cover yes no problem.
I'm assuming that there's been no failure on the MK2.

Barry

Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 07 March, 2013, 11:48:36 AM
*Originally Posted by Rustyrig [+]
72.5 % is a good statement for the positive, so being blunt a 27.5% chance of failure, but with Honda's stance stating that they will replace it there really is no case to answer, having said that would I want to tour with that in the back of your mind as long as you have good recovery cover yes no problem.
I'm assuming that there's been no failure on the MK2.

Barry

 :087: 27.5% failure expectation is OK then for a part that shouldn't have failed in the first place (subject to the occasional rogue part), not in my book.
 
Andy
 
 :149:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Rev Ken on 07 March, 2013, 11:52:19 AM
*Originally Posted by Rustyrig [+]
72.5 % is a good statement for the positive, so being blunt a 27.5% chance of failure, but with Honda's stance stating that they will replace it there really is no case to answer, having said that would I want to tour with that in the back of your mind as long as you have good recovery cover yes no problem.
I'm assuming that there's been no failure on the MK2.

Barry

While that is the statistics on this forum, I suggest that those who have had a failure are more likely to post than those who have had no problems, so the idea that 25% of bikes suffered a failure is - in my opinion - an over-estimate. However that is no excuse for Honda not to have sorted this problem out a lot earlier, even if they have now got their act together.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: johnstg2 on 07 March, 2013, 11:57:10 AM
*Originally Posted by Rustyrig [+]
72.5 % is a good statement for the positive, so being blunt a 27.5% chance of failure....

I know I'm being pedantic but these percentages are not strictly true. One of the catagories is "more than one failure", which means at least 2 but we know of a few peeps with 3 failures. So more failures than the raw data suggests, but still more O.K. than failed. Still appalling figures though. Can you imagine if a Honda Civic had that failure rate?

*Originally Posted by Rustyrig [+]
...I'm assuming that there's been no failure on the MK2.

There was a report of a stator failure just after the Mk II was introduced, but this was never confirmed and as far as I know the Mk II stator doesn't overheat due to an extra oil cooling port in the casting. Probably improvements in the insulation too.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 07 March, 2013, 11:59:04 AM
*Originally Posted by Rev Ken [+]
While that is the statistics on this forum, I suggest that those who have had a failure are more likely to post than those who have had no problems, so the idea that 25% of bikes suffered a failure is - in my opinion - an over-estimate. However that is no excuse for Honda not to have sorted this problem out a lot earlier, even if they have now got their act together.

Quite possibly, but probably a bit closer than the 1 in a 1000 that you originally estimated :164:   Stats are stats and you can get them to say what you want but it is still pretty naff for Honda.  I wonder if the engineer who designed this part (originally for the Blade) was asked to fall on his sword :027: .
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Rev Ken on 07 March, 2013, 12:01:14 PM
*Originally Posted by Bifferman [+]

Quite possibly, but probably a bit closer than the 1 in a 1000 that you originally estimated :164:   Still pretty naff for Honda.  I wonder if the engineer who designed this part (originally for the Blade) was asked to fall on his sword :027: .

OK, I admit it - I might have under-tomatoes the number of failures - how about one in a hundred??? :164:

Wouldn't it be great if Honda would come clean and tell us the real figures! :211:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: coldrider on 07 March, 2013, 12:03:56 PM
In my view a 27.5% failure rate (or even half that) is far beyond acceptable, more like disgraceful for a reputable engineering company in the real world, and should be addressed by more than just an extended warranty.  Who wants to take the significant risk of suffering through the inconvenience of replacing their stator while on holiday in far away places just because they have a recovery plan in place?  Its not enough.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 07 March, 2013, 12:31:15 PM
*Originally Posted by Rev Ken [+]
OK, I admit it - I might have under-tomatoes the number of failures - how about one in a hundred??? :164:

 :084: well, only two entities are ever likely to know the truth on this one, Honda and God and, I suspect, neither will tell.    My feeling is that you are still quite a bit on the low side, it's a pity we will probably never know.  I wonder whose fritz's out first, yours or mine :012: .   I might open a book on this .................. well a poll anyway :mfrlol:
 
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Rustyrig on 07 March, 2013, 12:53:57 PM
what is the highest milage bike to get a failure and what's there bike used for commute and the sort of commute ie city riding, slow riding , sunny ride outs, or touring may indicate if and when they are likely to going if at all.

The bag of question is massive.
On the whole I'd settle for a 5% failure rate I think ken you may be leaning the right but wrong way  :084: did I say that right.

Barry


Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Danish on 07 March, 2013, 02:27:04 PM
*Originally Posted by Bifferman [+]

Hope the pics help you.  Shows what happens to the stator if you are unfortunate enough to suffer this fate.
 
Nice colour bike bye the way, mine started off that colour until Honda gave it a shock and it turned into Pearl :062: White.

 
Andy
 
 :149:
Notice it is the power exit that burns, from too much current - You can see the 3 extra insulated wires behind the burned coil. I don´t think slow speed with low rpm causes much current in the stator. The current rises up to 4000 rpm. But it is difficult to say something general, because there are allways someone saying that his was different.
Why not buy the new stator, and have a good chance it will not happen ? It seems to me you can stop a lot of worry that way.

Danish
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: coldrider on 07 March, 2013, 03:17:32 PM
Perhaps Honda should be offering the new stator/rotor for free, and you pay the labour - just for the piece of mind.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 07 March, 2013, 08:07:31 PM
*Originally Posted by coldrider [+]
Perhaps Honda should be offering the new stator/rotor for free, and you pay the labour - just for the piece of mind.

 :062:   I would live with that.  Good compromise, wouldn't actually cost Honka much at all and the stealer gets to say hello to you again.
 
The stator is easy to change but the flywheel requires a special puller to get it off the tapered shaft.  Not having a box full of pullers it may be an hours labour at the Honda agent.  The last flywheel puller Ii had was for a Lambretta and that was a while ago :005:
 
Andy
 
 :149:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Shooter on 08 March, 2013, 06:44:24 PM
My stator give up at 28.000 miles, 2 days after I had done a deal to part ex it for a CB1300,   to be honest I lost all confidence in the CBF, there were so many stator failures, I am planning another trip on the continent in July and it would have been on my mind that the stator failure could spoil it all,
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Shooter on 08 March, 2013, 06:57:28 PM
My stator give up at 28.000 miles, 2 days after I had done a deal to part ex it for a CB1300,   to be honest I lost all confidence in the CBF, there were so many stator failures, I am planning another trip on the continent in July and it would have been on my mind that the stator failure could spoil it all,
                                    shooter
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Danish on 09 March, 2013, 12:35:53 PM
Honda are replacing flywheels with the same part 31110-MFA-D01. This could be due to variations in the productionline (a few are not good). Too strong magnets can explain some of the shortterm faillures. On long distance the stator is in constant use.
If you look in the oscilloscope you can see that above 4000 rpm. the stator is on full power. Even when the battery is fully charged the current go on at maximum. This is stressful over time. Any electrical in full use build up heat, when used a long time.
You can blame any part of the chargesystem for this, its the magnets, the insulation , the oilcooling, the regulator, the load. But it is the chargesystem.
For more information read Firebladers article:
http://www.fireblader.dk/i_files/cbr1000rr/mc032.htm (http://www.fireblader.dk/i_files/cbr1000rr/mc032.htm)

I can supply pictures of the readings in the oscope.

Danish
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 11 March, 2013, 04:09:53 PM
I have just come to an excellent accommodation with  Billy Whizz to relieve him of his genuine new sealed Honda spare stator :028: .  It will fit very snugly under the seat incl all the bubble wrap and replacing the stator only is a roadside job, bike on centre stand and minimal loss of oil with stator cover removed.
 
If my stator zaps out in the next 16  months then Mr Honda can fork out the 900 squids or so cost of replacing the stator and flywheel and I can sell on the aforementioned stator and recover my investment outlay from someone with an out of warranty Biffer and that is now imminent for the first of the Biffers.  If I am stuck miles from anywhere I can do a kerbside replacement myself pending Mr Honda's arrival with the replacement parts so I recon this is one of the best value for money and hassle free investments I have made for some time.  I can imagine there is nothing quite like breaking down in the middle of the Trossachs with at least a three day wait for Honda to supply a Part :151: - and much worse if you happen to be in the Massif Central or the outback somewhere in Kossovo :156: .
 
Who can remember.  Three years ago or thereabouts some kind person (was it Snibor ?) on here offered a spare stator to be held by a forum member and to be loaned out to anyone going touring in parts foreign and for this to be perpetuated as other members travel far afield.  Whatever came of that stator and who holds it now :187:
 
And, no, you are not having mine  :150: .
 
Andy
 
 :149:
 
 
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: johnstg2 on 11 March, 2013, 06:39:03 PM
*Originally Posted by Bifferman [+]
....a three day wait for Honda to supply a tart....

Count yourself lucky if they supply a stator. Pushing it a bit if you expect a tart too!
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Brit182 on 24 March, 2013, 07:11:08 PM
Taxing the old memory here but if I have it somewhere near correct mine went at just under 15,000 miles and about three years old. Still going strong when I swapped for my Mk2 after another 6,000 miles.

Interesting to see that only 5.7% have had more than one failure.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 25 March, 2013, 08:54:04 AM
*Originally Posted by Brit182 [+]

Interesting to see that only 5.7% have had more than one failure.

Yea, but those who have must be pretty pissed, ain't that right Fat Harry :015:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: plaza8204 on 25 March, 2013, 08:59:52 AM
there is a lot of talk regarding stators and how they fail, what is the expected cost of replaceing one if it goes? and how many hours would a garage charge to change it?
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 25 March, 2013, 09:09:39 AM
*Originally Posted by plaza8204 [+]
there is a lot of talk regarding stators and how they fail, what is the expected cost of replacing one if it goes? and how many hours would a garage charge to change it?

About 850 to 900 squids incl labour (at non discountted parts prices).   Labour can't be more than 1 hour.  Replacing the stator is easy and is a roadside job if you have a couple of tools and the correct sized Allen key.  Replacing the flywheel would appear to require a puller to remove first as it is on a tapered shaft, not a roadside job but simples and quick for a dealer.    Should be zero cost if within 7 years but although there don't appear to be any refusals by Honda reported on here the warrenty extension is still officially regarded by Honda on a case by case discretionary basis :112:
 
Andy
 
 :149:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Brit182 on 25 March, 2013, 01:37:27 PM
As of now, I don't recall anyone being told to bugger off by the Big H.

Andy, any recollection on your part as official Stator Watchman ?
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: johnstg2 on 25 March, 2013, 02:18:00 PM
*Originally Posted by Brit182 [+]
As of now, I don't recall anyone being told to bugger off by the Big H.

I don't recall anyone being refused, but a few folks never asked and paid up for repairs because they didn't know about the extended warranty.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 25 March, 2013, 02:51:34 PM
*Originally Posted by Brit182 [+]
As of now, I don't recall anyone being told to bugger off by the Big H.

Andy, any recollection on your part as official Stator Watchman ?

In the earlier days absolutely, lots of people were refused a stator replacement by both Honda and the dealers but back then it was only stator plates (old part number ones) that were being replaced.   As the tempo increased and more , including multiple failures occurred Honda started replacing both stator (new part number so maybe a upgraded unit) and the flywheel.  I can't remember exactly when Honda started doing this but it must have been around Jan 2011 I think (I am not going to look it up but I am sure someone will correct me on timing if wrong).
 
Honda have never formally admitted liability or officially come clean about the problem and indeed, at least in the UK, have insisted that they will consider failures on a bike by bike basis and not as a legally effective warranty extension.  In effect though for about the last two years or so I can not recall anyone in the EU who has been refused but as JS2 mentions some have still stumped up (probably stator replacement only) either because they were unaware of Honda's newly found morals or the dealer (sometimes not Honda) didn't know or didn't say.  Pretty sure though that almost all members of this forum have been successful but there will always be the odd one we are not aware of.
 
The only reason I can think of as to why Honda have not formally upped the warranty is because of the possibility of liability should a failure be deemed responsible in a personal (and/or third party) injury claim.   VOSA are aware of the possible dangers but either did nothing or actually did approach Honda (I have no way of knowing) without success but Honda hid behind their impenetrable corporate brick wall on this one.  I understand that there is a convoluted process VOSA have to go through to force a recall and given the relative small numbers involved compared with a car they may have been beaten away by the large corporate.  Rev Ken is an ex VOSA 'chief' of one sort or another so he would know better than most how the system works - well at least how it worked a good few years ago given his current mid septuagenarian status.
 
It is unlikely that I will ever change my mind that Honda should have recalled ALL the MK1 Biffers on safety grounds but there you go, at least they are doing something semi honourable to keep the ceremonial dagger at bay.
 
Andy
 
 :149:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Brit182 on 25 March, 2013, 04:31:53 PM
I agree on the safety matter. I recall some members had some pretty close shaves over the years!

Personally I was lucky. Mine died in the firms car park and was resuscitated via the wife's car battery. Only to die again 1/2 mile down the road, where the RAC strapped a truck battery (Well OK, but it was big!) on the back seat and the Biffer ran on that the 10 miles home!
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Rev Ken on 26 March, 2013, 11:28:31 AM
 Rev Ken is an ex VOSA 'chief' of one sort or another so he would know better than most how the system works - well at least how it worked a good few years ago given his current mid septuagenarian status.

Too true!

However I've e-mailed VOSA asking about current practice - I'll let you know the response - when I get back from a few days away to celebrate our son's silver wedding (How did that happen?????)
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Roger dodger on 05 April, 2013, 11:10:30 PM
i had CB1000 Mk1 on 06 plate 6,000 miles on clock put another 12,000 miles on it in 1 year 18,500 in all .never missed ab eat what a brilliant bike on the original stator  i had the bike for just over 1 year .i read that much about the stator etc packing up with no notice i put a charging warning light on it. but it stuck in the back of mind all the time when it was going to pack in and where .so i made my mind up and traded it in for another make of bike if only Honda would have sorted the CB1000 out i would still be riding the CB1000 now what a shame
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Rev Ken on 08 April, 2013, 12:52:58 PM
May I ask whether the bike you've bought is more reliable? Every other bike forum I've looked at always discusses many more faults than on this forum! :187:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Westy on 08 April, 2013, 01:02:22 PM
 :0461: Maybe it's better to stay away from forums and be ignorant to possible problems.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Rev Ken on 08 April, 2013, 01:04:10 PM
Ready for some reading?

I've had a very full and helpful reply from VOSA - and if you have the time it is posted below. Perhaps the most surprising thing is that apparently nobody has submitted a defect report form suggesting this is a road safety issue.

Dear Mr Wright.

Thank you for your email to VOSA's enquire team.

Your name is still spoken with much respect around here.

Before I deal with your enquiry, it maybe beneficial if I bring you up to
date on how things have changed since your retirement.  The processes and
the work is much the same as you were head of recalls; although the
staffing levels have definitely changed, there is only six of us now.  The
whole team deals with the safety defect investigations, safety recalls and
accident/collisions investigations work.  There is one head of branch,
three engineers, a recalls manager and lastly, one senior administrator.

The Code of Practice is still in use but the original seven have been
condensed down to two, one to cover all vehicles and the other to cover
after-market components, including wheels and tyres.  We now have the
General Product Safety Regulations 2005, which gives us legal powers,
although we still rely on the Codes for our main line of support.  However,
we do work closure with the manufacturers, witnessing more test and asking
more in depth questions, which can cause the manufacturers a little
embarrassment.  Also, we conduct quality audits of the manufacturer's
recall processes and conduct market surveillance.  The surveillance work
does highlight quite a few Technical Service Bulletins and Customer
Enhancement Campaigns that should have been conducted as safety recalls.

I have attached copies of the latest versions of both Codes, Consumer
guides for defect investigation and recalls, and the guide to recalls in
the automotive sector, which is for the manufacturers.

In regards to the issue with the Honda CBF1000.  I have searched both the
defects and recalls databases and cannot find any defect reports or recalls
for the model, even when searched under CBF.  Any emails enquires about
defects or recalls are held on the VSB mail site and a search of that has
not revealed any enquires about the CBF1000 or the CBF.  So I am unable to
understand why the forums are criticising us.

When I have looked at the forums, it would appear that the issue is with
the alternator element of the stator/flywheel and the evidence from the
forums would suggest that this is not a safety issue under the Code.
However, if anyone believes that it is safety related, then they should
complete a vehicle safety defect reporting form, which is available on the
website.

I hope the above and attached documents are helpful; however, should you
wish to discuss anything, please do not hesitate to contact me on my direct
line telephone number.

Your sincerely

Andrew Tudor


The attachments are in pdf format and are...

See attached file: 2381 Code of Practice.pdf) (See attached file: Code of
Practice on Tyres, wheels and parts in the aftermarket.doc)(See attached
file: Low resolution version Guide to Recalls in the Automotive Sector.pdf)
(See attached file: 2402 Consumer guide to vehicle safety recalls Feb
2013.pdf)(See attached file: Consumer guide to vehicle safety defects Feb
2013.pdf)

Unfortunately I haven't a clue how to attach them to this posting, so you'll have to go to the VOSA site and down load them there - unless someone can tell me how to post them.....
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: richardcbf on 08 April, 2013, 02:27:26 PM
"When I have looked at the forums, it would appear that the issue is with
the alternator element of the stator/flywheel and the evidence from the
forums would suggest that this is not a safety issue under the Code
.
"

Interesting. This is from recall information (USA) for 2010 SUZUKI GSX1300R....
....WHICH CAN RESULT IN INSUFFICIENT CHARGING CURRENT BEING PROVIDED TO THE MOTORCYCLE BATTERY. THIS CAN CAUSE DISCHARGE OF THE BATTERY AND CAN LEAD TO ENGINE STALLING AND/OR A NO-START CONDITION. ENGINE STALLING WHILE RIDING CAN INCREASE THE RISK OF A CRASH.
http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/motorcycle_recalls/49/2010/suzuki/gsx1300r/86852.html (http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/motorcycle_recalls/49/2010/suzuki/gsx1300r/86852.html)
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Rev Ken on 08 April, 2013, 08:20:39 PM
*Originally Posted by richardcbf [+]
"When I have looked at the forums, it would appear that the issue is with
the alternator element of the stator/flywheel and the evidence from the
forums would suggest that this is not a safety issue under the Code
.
"

Interesting. This is from recall information (USA) for 2010 SUZUKI GSX1300R....
....WHICH CAN RESULT IN INSUFFICIENT CHARGING CURRENT BEING PROVIDED TO THE MOTORCYCLE BATTERY. THIS CAN CAUSE DISCHARGE OF THE BATTERY AND CAN LEAD TO ENGINE STALLING AND/OR A NO-START CONDITION. ENGINE STALLING WHILE RIDING CAN INCREASE THE RISK OF A CRASH.
http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/motorcycle_recalls/49/2010/suzuki/gsx1300r/86852.html (http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/motorcycle_recalls/49/2010/suzuki/gsx1300r/86852.html)

The solution is to submit a defect report as suggested!
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Nuff on 08 April, 2013, 08:25:05 PM
OOooh, this is interesting....
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Rev Ken on 08 April, 2013, 09:41:57 PM
A couple of extracts....

What is a safety defect?
The definition of a safety defect under the Code of Practice is;
“A safety related defect is a failure due to design and construction, which is likely to affect the safe operation of the product without prior warning to the user and may pose a significant risk to the driver, occupants and others. This defect will be common to a number of products that have been sold for use in the United Kingdom.”
This is an issue that happens suddenly and without warning and can have catastrophic results for the user and others around them.
In order to assist you in defining whether or not an issue is a safety defect under the code, we have detailed some general examples:
Steering components that break suddenly, resulting in partial or complete loss of
vehicle control.
Airbags that deploy under conditions for which they are not intended to deploy.
Problems with fuel system components that can result in leakage of fuel and may
cause fire.
Child car seats that may be defective (belts buckles or components).
A defective tyre that may suddenly fail.

What isn’t a safety defect?
In order to fully understand what the definition of a safety defect under the Codes of Practice is, it is important to understand what it is not. Please see following examples of issues we can not take forward:
defects that can be identified during routine maintenance/ service
marked changes in handling
unusual noises
warning lights illuminated on the dash board
high cost items that need replacing or have failed
misuse or external factors


The defect report..... sorry can't copy it - so download http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/Vehicle%20Safety%20Defect%20Reporting%20Form.doc (http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/Vehicle%20Safety%20Defect%20Reporting%20Form.doc)

       
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: russ.cunningham on 11 April, 2013, 02:26:45 PM
2006 bike still on original stator, 33000 miles only replaced battery, tyres (loads) and chain sets (three) from new. Maybe I am lucky...............so far! :027:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 11 April, 2013, 06:16:28 PM
Interesting reply from VOSA Ken.  I am confused about their reference to no record of enquiries on this issue.  It seems a few years ago now (I would have to check the dates on the VOSA thread), but I have had three contacts with your successors at VOSA in the order of Telephone, a very long email explaining the problems the CBF1000 was encountering including my thoughts on it being a potentially dangerous issue should the stator fail and battery voltage drop to below that where the FI system will no longer operate. 
 
I got no reply to my email and followed it up several weeks later with another tel con.  This was when I was told that they firstly needed to receive lots of complaints, or reports of accidents being directly attributable to the issue and even then they had a long process of consultation with Honda who seemed to be able to say almost what they like.   Anyway as you know I never heard anything more so gave up with the notion that Honda had probably trumped VOSA on this one but that if it had been on a high volume car things may have been different.
 
Anyway there might yet be a glimmer of hope at the end of the tunnel if lots of people do fill in the on-line enquire form and particularly so if some come from peeps who have experienced a failure in potentially life threatening situations (and there has been the odd one reported on here).    Interesting news article today http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22104702 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22104702) but, hey ho, cars again and I have no idea whether VOSA had an input somewhere along the way but nobody hurt and this goes back to cars of the 2000 - 2004 vintage.
 
Andy
 
 :149:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Rev Ken on 12 April, 2013, 11:52:58 AM
*Originally Posted by Bifferman [+]
Interesting reply from VOSA Ken.  I am confused about their reference to no record of enquiries on this issue.  It seems a few years ago now (I would have to check the dates on the VOSA thread), but I have had three contacts with your successors at VOSA in the order of Telephone, a very long email explaining the problems the CBF1000 was encountering including my thoughts on it being a potentially dangerous issue should the stator fail and battery voltage drop to below that where the FI system will no longer operate. 
 
I got no reply to my email and followed it up several weeks later with another tel con.  This was when I was told that they firstly needed to receive lots of complaints, or reports of accidents being directly attributable to the issue and even then they had a long process of consultation with Honda who seemed to be able to say almost what they like.   Anyway as you know I never heard anything more so gave up with the notion that Honda had probably trumped VOSA on this one but that if it had been on a high volume car things may have been different.
 
Anyway there might yet be a glimmer of hope at the end of the tunnel if lots of people do fill in the on-line enquire form and particularly so if some come from peeps who have experienced a failure in potentially life threatening situations (and there has been the odd one reported on here).    Interesting news article today http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22104702 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22104702) but, hey ho, cars again and I have no idea whether VOSA had an input somewhere along the way but nobody hurt and this goes back to cars of the 2000 - 2004 vintage.
 
Andy
 
 :149:

Andy - I too was puzzled as I was sure you had been in contact with VOSA more than once. So as you suggest if anybody on this forum who has had a failure that caused them a ROAD SAFETY* issue - or potential issue - fills in the form we might yet get more positive action from Honda.

*VOSA aren't interested in reliability issues unless they might compromise road safety.

Which brings back to mind an incident with MAN buses.....

MAN decided to bring their imported coaches to Swindon where they were 'certified' as meeting our regs. As a certifying officer I was sent along to inspect them and turned them down for various reasons - which naturally upset them. One aspect that I wasn't happy with was that the coach could move off before the entrance door was fully closed which meant that it could collect any unwary pedestrian, so I insisted that the door had to be fully closed before the driver could move off. This they did by a micro switch in the door handle mechanism so that it had to be in the fully closed position before the parking brake could be released.

I was satisfied with this small modification and after other issues had been addressed certified several of their coaches.



However...........


On a windy day as one of their coaches was travelling at speed on the motorway when it suddenly lost power and the rear wheels locked. Very frightening, but fortunately there was no accident or injury. Naturally it was reported and off I went to investigate. They were baffled and so was I until I pulled on the outside handle and realised that it had a small amount of free play. Further investigation showed that the micro switch could switch on/off before the door handle started to operate the door mechanism. So............ it became apparent that at speed on this windy day wind turbulence had caused the door handle to 'flutter' which applied the brakes!

It was sorted and for some reason MAN shortly after returned to the London area to get the rest of their coaches certified......
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Nuff on 12 April, 2013, 11:57:37 AM
Can we cite the GSX1300R recall notice as evidence of a potentially dangerous fault should the charging system on our machines fail?
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Rev Ken on 12 April, 2013, 12:00:50 PM
*Originally Posted by Nuff [+]
Can we cite the GSX1300R recall notice as evidence of a potentially dangerous fault should the charging system on our machines fail?

I can't see why not in support of any submission.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Shropieorange on 17 April, 2013, 11:20:41 PM
New entrant, 2007 bike, 7650 miles, original stator.

Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Rogue on 27 April, 2013, 09:33:33 AM
2006 model, 103,000 miles and on 3rd stator.  Incidentally other than brake light switches, the stator is the only failure I have had
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Biker Mike on 27 April, 2013, 09:49:42 AM
That's real dedication Rogue.
Hopefully, you've got the trouble-free version in now.
Mike
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: jontyg on 27 April, 2013, 10:49:20 AM
*Originally Posted by Rogue [+]
2006 model, 103,000 miles and on 3rd stator.  Incidentally other than brake light switches, the stator is the only failure I have had

Hell rogue. Epic mileage on the biffer. Apart from the stator, it just goes to show the engine is rock solid. Good show.  :300:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: popeye1 on 27 April, 2013, 11:02:22 AM
My one is still the original as the bike had only done 5000 miles. Will I get any clues when it's about to go or will it just explode instantaneous.

Thanks

Popeye1
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: richardcbf on 27 April, 2013, 04:07:52 PM
*Originally Posted by popeye1 [+]
My one is still the original as the bike had only done 5000 miles. Will I get any clues when it's about to go or will it just explode instantaneous.

Thanks

Popeye1

Have a look at this discussion....
Possible warning of alternator failure
https://www.cbf1000.com/index.php/topic,8684.0.html (https://www.cbf1000.com/index.php/topic,8684.0.html)
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: tigertail on 28 April, 2013, 04:28:07 PM
As a cheap method of monitoring my battery/charging system I came across this as an alternative to the Batter Bug.  I have a cigarette lighter type socket fitted already so the Equus 3721 battery/charging monitor should be ideal for periodically checking my system.

Not sure how much advanced warning it would give but just for peace of mind I am seriously considering it and it won't break the bank.  Anyone tried one or want to offer advice on its suitability?
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_kw=Equus+Battery+Charging+System+Monitor (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_kw=Equus+Battery+Charging+System+Monitor)

http://www.amazon.com/Equus-3721-Battery-Charging-Monitor/dp/B000EVWDU0 (http://www.amazon.com/Equus-3721-Battery-Charging-Monitor/dp/B000EVWDU0)

Can only find US distributors though shouldn't be too much of an issue ordering through Amazon.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/3721-Battery-Charging-System-Monitor/dp/B000EVWDU0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1367162910&sr=8-1&keywords=equus+battery+charging+system+monitor (http://www.amazon.co.uk/3721-Battery-Charging-System-Monitor/dp/B000EVWDU0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1367162910&sr=8-1&keywords=equus+battery+charging+system+monitor)

Modified, didn't notice the Amazon UK link!  Still £26 aint too bad?

TT.

Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 29 April, 2013, 09:03:53 PM
A thread on the Sparkbright unit I fitted.  Had calibrated to the stator output of a MK1 keeping life as simple as possible - all in the thread somewhere incl pics.  https://www.cbf1000.com/index.php/topic,12722.msg158743.html#msg158743 (https://www.cbf1000.com/index.php/topic,12722.msg158743.html#msg158743)  It works very well and is unobtrusive though very clear.  Does exactly what it says on the can (esp so if you use the same calibration).
 
Sparkbright in Glasgow, a small one man band by the name of Andrew Fergusson produces this very nice piece of kit.   Gammatronix produce something similar (and even something far more complex) and there are others on here if you search.
 
Here is their fleabay advert http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12v-LED-Battery-Monitor-voltage-and-charge-indicator-/150474037874?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2308f39a72 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12v-LED-Battery-Monitor-voltage-and-charge-indicator-/150474037874?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2308f39a72)
 
Andy
 
 :149:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: angelmoto on 02 May, 2013, 01:45:49 PM
2006 model, 50.000 Km. Original stator. No mechanical problems at all.  :152:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Serendipity on 03 June, 2013, 12:56:27 PM
2007 ABS model, 35,000 miles and on its original stator (to my knowledge). It failed last week. Honda are taking it in to investigate with a view to replacing under warranty.

This thread, and other sources, meant I was forewarned and able to discuss it with Honda without being on the back foot.

Many thanks.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: youk on 06 June, 2013, 06:10:15 PM
2009  14,500Km when failed.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 07 June, 2013, 08:55:24 AM
This thread has been going for about 8 months now and one interesting statistic is that we appear to be averaging out at an approx 10% failure rate.
 
Andy
 
 :149:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: johnstg2 on 07 June, 2013, 12:20:48 PM
*Originally Posted by Bifferman [+]
This thread has been going for about 8 months now and one interesting statistic is that we appear to be averaging out at an approx 10% failure rate.
 
Andy
 
 :149:

 :435:

I make that 90 non-failures and 45 failures (if we count "more than one" as 2), so not quite sure where you get the 10% figure?
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 07 June, 2013, 12:47:28 PM
*Originally Posted by johnstg2 [+]
:435:

I make that 90 non-failures and 45 failures (if we count "more than one" as 2), so not quite sure where you get the 10% figure?

I added 38% waiting for a failure to 52% not expecting a failure and forgot that I set the poll so you could have 2 votes.  100% - 38% - 52% = 10%.   I even got that wrong it should be 30% + 41% - 100% = 29% FAILURES   :005: :005: .  Chances are therefor that you are closer the mark and the figure is much higher.  We are not really much better off in terms of accurate stats (but probably better than Rev Ken's outrageously low estimate - will I ever let him off  :110: ................   :008: :008: .   
 
The fact is that there have been tons of failures, far more than anyone should consider reasonable.  Only Honka know for sure and IMO (still unchanged) Honka should fall on their sword and do a voluntary recall not a half way house of increasing the warranty period, but then 'bad breath is better than no breath at all' unless, of course, you happen to be involved in a fatal as a result of the stator fritzing out on you.  Perhaps only then will VOSA and Honda wake up to the realities of this poor piece of electrical engineering.
 
Andy
 
 :149:
 
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: chilled on 11 June, 2013, 02:36:32 PM
My stator failed coming home from a European tour, 10km from Calais. 2008 bike 41,000 on the clock. All replaced free of charge under warranty, no hassle at all (except getting it home from Calais)  :003:
Another bike in the group (another CBF) also failed at more or less same time, and while I was waiting for the ferry to cart me over, a Honda vfr came in on a transporter - same problem
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Rustyrig on 11 June, 2013, 03:20:26 PM
Andy maybe it's time to run the survey again and see if there is a difference if any is from the original and if you get the similar numbers to respond could give a good idea of percentages.

Barry
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Jasper on 12 June, 2013, 04:39:19 AM
21,300 km on a 2008 CBF1000A8. Still on the original stator.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: jontyg on 12 June, 2013, 08:06:14 AM
I'm always interested in facts and figures from surveys, but this particular issue of stator failure on Mk1's doesn't seem to be going away, and Honda don't seem to be listening. They know the problem exists, but only repair on an 'ad hoc' basis. I wonder how many owners have sold their biffers due to the 'worry' factor of stator failure, or have not toured outside the UK for fear of breaking down. It's ridiculous to have to pack away a stator and flywheel in luggage as a 'back up' solution.

As for Honda, will they really change everyone's stator if a fatality occurs? Probably not.

I'm not too sure on the legalities or IT knowledge of this next suggestion, but perhaps Mr Admin could 'chip' in with a comment or two.

We have now over 4700 members on this site. Would it not be possible for an email to be sent to every member to sign an 'on line' petition to be presented to Honda and VOSPA regarding a recall to complete replacement of stator/flywheel for all MK1 biffers before a fatality occurs. Surely, they couldn't ignore that many members, and it may change their minds for purely commercial reasons.

I think we need   :465: on this from forum members including Mr Admin.  :028:  :015:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 12 June, 2013, 08:18:52 AM
*Originally Posted by jontyg [+]
I'm always interested in facts and figures from surveys, but this particular issue of stator failure on Mk1's doesn't seem to be going away, and Honda don't seem to be listening. They know the problem exists, but only repair on an 'ad hoc' basis. I wonder how many owners have sold their biffers due to the 'worry' factor of stator failure, or have not toured outside the UK for fear of breaking down. It's ridiculous to have to pack away a stator and flywheel in luggage as a 'back up' solution.

As for Honda, will they really change everyone's stator if a fatality occurs? Probably not.

I'm not too sure on the legalities or IT knowledge of this next suggestion, but perhaps Mr Admin could 'chip' in with a comment or two.

We have now over 4700 members on this site. Would it not be possible for an email to be sent to every member to sign an 'on line' petition to be presented to Honda and VOSPA regarding a recall to complete replacement of stator/flywheel for all MK1 biffers before a fatality occurs. Surely, they couldn't ignore that many members, and it may change their minds for purely commercial reasons.

I think we need   :465: on this from forum members including Mr Admin.  :028: :015:

 
What about sending an e-petition to No. 10    Laterally thinking for a moment here.  Do we not have to receive only 1000 e signatures to see some action from our leaders.  VOSA and Honda UK can be copied in, that might get their attention.   What about spreading the word on social networking site Facebook (I don't partake but knew there was a use for it somewhere) - Facebook has been known to go viral on occasion but need to be VERY careful on the precise wording.
 
Crucial to success may be the ability to contact all of our owners/members on here.  Is it possible for a mass mailing (for those who have given their email address) or a mass PM'ing, both of which, in their own way may help to hit the target of 1000 posts to No. 10
 
Just thoughts in passing if you are really serious Jontyg.
 
Bye the way, the only reason I would consider taking spare parts with me on a tour is if I was going to some place where the accessability to parts in timely fashion was restricted.  Even then I would only take a stator with me as this is relatively easy to change and a working one can be picked up cheaply on ebay.  A flywheel, on the other hand is extremely expensive, and fairly heavy and requires a puller to get the old one off the tapered shaft so not a simple roadside fix.
 
Andy
 
 :149:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Nuff on 12 June, 2013, 08:31:25 AM
4000+ members, how many active?
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Rev Ken on 12 June, 2013, 08:55:15 AM
VOSA can't act unless they have some input about failings and their possible effect on safety. Reliability is of no interest to VOSA unless a safety issue. To-date it appears they have not got a record of any complaints, other than my letter which I've copied on to this forum with their reply. So it remains up to members to contact VOSA with their experiences relating to safety and that this defect is commonplace. At least the second requirement is demonstrated on this forum, but until VOSA accept there is a potential or real safety issue they don't have sufficient information to lean on Honda.

Just Google VOSA for further info.... 
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 12 June, 2013, 09:16:41 AM
*Originally Posted by Rev Ken [+]
VOSA can't act unless they have some input about failings and their possible effect on safety. Reliability is of no interest to VOSA unless a safety issue. To-date it appears they have not got a record of any complaints, other than my letter which I've copied on to this forum with their reply. So it remains up to members to contact VOSA with their experiences relating to safety and that this defect is commonplace. At least the second requirement is demonstrated on this forum, but until VOSA accept there is a potential or real safety issue they don't have sufficient information to lean on Honda.

Just Google VOSA for further info....
We have had this before Ken.  Your letter might be VOSA's only record but certainly NOT the only contact.   They did have an email from me some time ago about when I started the VOSA thread on here.  I have also spoken with them twice, both times without encouragement.
 
I can readily understand that VOSA do not want to become involved with what is a safety issue and it may take many complaints, not just yours and mine, to prompt them into action so over to CBF1000 owners.    If VOSA then believe there is an issue here (first hurdle) they will have to go through a lengthy process for Honda's views on this and I would find it difficult to believe that Honda are not able to have a significany influence on VOSA over whether this is taken forward, small numbers, public interest etc v cost etc (second and larger hurdle I suspect).
 
It is often the case that these matters are only taken notice of when the likes of Honda are taken to task publically.
 
 
 
Andy
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Rustyrig on 12 June, 2013, 09:40:16 AM
70.3% of participants are on the original Stators, so near enough to 30% failure and not for getting some have had there's done twice.

What percentages does it take to get a recall, thats a question

Albeit I'm still on my original I don't want to visit casualty (garage) because of a known fault

Barry
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Rev Ken on 12 June, 2013, 10:37:39 AM
*Originally Posted by Bifferman [+]
We have had this before Ken.  Your letter might be VOSA's only record but certainly NOT the only contact.   They did have an email from me some time ago about when I started the VOSA thread on here.  I have also spoken with them twice, both times without encouragement.
 
I can readily understand that VOSA do not want to become involved with what is a safety issue and it may take many complaints, not just yours and mine, to prompt them into action so over to CBF1000 owners.    If VOSA then believe there is an issue here (first hurdle) they will have to go through a lengthy process for Honda's views on this and I would find it difficult to believe that Honda are not able to have a significany influence on VOSA over whether this is taken forward, small numbers, public interest etc v cost etc (second and larger hurdle I suspect).
 
It is often the case that these matters are only taken notice of when the likes of Honda are taken to task publically.
 
 
 
Andy

Andy I'm wondering who you spoke to? With reference to your e-mail, the branch concerned with recalls don't seem to have received it which indicates VOSA has some (unacceptable) communication problems. However a written communication, with facts and figures, coupled with any real or potential safety issues SHOULD get a response. I can assure you that they aren't impressed when manufacturers try bullying tactics, and (at least when I was in charge) they soon realised the power of adverse publicity on future sales and reputation. Honda have accepted that there is poor reliability and now offer a very good guarantee with free exchanges of defective stators, so for VOSA to be involved they have to be convinced there is a safety issue.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: jontyg on 12 June, 2013, 08:02:30 PM
Good points made Andy and Rev, and yes, I'm deadly serious about this and would like to gather further info to try and move this forward.
I'll first PM Mr Admin and see if he can provide some info on how to proceed. it's possible we may need some legal advice further down the line. Any legal eagles out there with any constructive info would be welcomed.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Rev Ken on 12 June, 2013, 11:01:58 PM
*Originally Posted by jontyg [+]
Good points made Andy and Rev, and yes, I'm deadly serious about this and would like to gather further info to try and move this forward.
I'll first PM Mr Admin and see if he can provide some info on how to proceed. it's possible we may need some legal advice further down the line. Any legal eagles out there with any constructive info would be welcomed.

Jontyg - ring VOSA and ask their advice!
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Serendipity on 18 June, 2013, 04:43:05 PM
*Originally Posted by Serendipity [+]
2007 ABS model, 35,000 miles and on its original stator (to my knowledge). It failed last week. Honda are taking it in to investigate with a view to replacing under warranty.

Got mine back yesterday. Honda replaced under "extended" warranty. That's a bike approaching 6 years old on 35452 miles.

No charge, but I was without the bike for a couple of weeks. Not a big problem to me as I have a little CB500 to use as a spare, but could be a major inconvenience to others.

From the safety side of things mine died in heavy traffic, in a bus lane outside Euston station, while I desperately tried to keep the revs up (unsuccessfully). I recognized the  signs of charging circuit failure having experienced the joy on both a CBR600F and a 954 FireBlade. I managed to hop off and wheel it up onto the pavement with motorists displaying their compassion and empathy via their horns.  :016:

Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: zalim17 on 10 July, 2013, 04:15:48 AM
2010 mk1 30000 kms on the clock. no failure. ı commute and tour. I ride it almost everyday and rev it hard sometimes. that is the key to a healthy bike. dont fondle them, whip them  :mfrlol:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Cycles on 09 August, 2013, 06:44:42 PM
2009 CBF1000 (mk1). Replaced the stator under Honda Canada recall at approximately 15,000 km (9,000 miles).
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: richardcbf on 09 August, 2013, 07:19:56 PM
*Originally Posted by Cycles [+]
2009 CBF1000 (mk1). Replaced the stator under Honda Canada recall at approximately 15,000 km (9,000 miles).

When was it (Month/Year or Year) that Honda Canada notified dealer/you of a 'recall'?
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Cycles on 09 August, 2013, 08:16:29 PM
I'll try to dig out the letter from Honda Canada this evening Richardcbf. If I recall correctly, it was around January 2012.

Technically, it wasn't a recall notice so much as an extension to the warrantee. The wording was such that it appeared that the dealership had some discretion. I asked Rocky Mountain Honda Powerhouse in Calgary to swap it out before it left me stranded. They told me that all they could do was check the stator and let me know but they ended up replacing it. I don't know if it was a defective stator or they treated me well because I am a regular customer.

Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Silverrider53 on 19 August, 2013, 12:22:28 AM
2009 ABS GT Model 35k Km original stator

Update - came out this morning and my little bar led voltage indicator did not move from the red led on the left plus sluggish to start - checking out tomorrow but fear the worst.
Phoned Honda Ireland and he tells me that some CBF1000's depending on the engine number may have had stator problems. A bit of a under statement, I hope Honda Ireland will honour the 7 year replacement plan like in the UK.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: AndyM on 19 August, 2013, 07:20:30 AM
2008 ABS 5k miles original stator.


You think Honda would learn a lesson,Super Dreams were famous for frying Stators.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: dentonlad on 19 August, 2013, 11:40:56 AM
2007 A-7, 9000 miles original stator
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Big Phil on 22 August, 2013, 08:55:52 AM
07 15,000 miles - no problems so far...but I must admit I think about it everytime I ride the bike  :023:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Archer on 22 August, 2013, 10:52:55 AM
06 - 6500 miles
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: kleopapas on 01 September, 2013, 06:30:06 PM
Mine has failed once at approximately 20,000 miles. I have the last Mark I, the A9. It was replaced by Dobles under warranty last autumn. I'm now on 30,000 miles and waiting anxiously...

Kleo
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: safe-rider on 02 September, 2013, 09:37:21 PM
I've just had the stator and flywheel replaced under warranty by Tillstons in Stockton. It's an 07 model with 26500 miles on the clock.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 03 September, 2013, 03:52:41 PM
*Originally Posted by safe-rider [+]
I've just had the stator and flywheel replaced under warranty by Tillstons in Stockton. It's an 07 model with 26500 miles on the clock.

You are a lucky chap, had your failure just in time  :028: .    Mine is an 07 but with half the mileage and only9 months to go before the warranty expires leaving the possibility of a 'big bucks' bill.
 
Anyone know how to discretely sabotage the stator  :164: - only joking ! but then  :084: as Honda should have done a recall in the first place.......................... 
 
Jontyg has picked up the cudgel in trying to get VOSA to force Honda into a recall on safety grounds so COME ON all you guys who have had a failure and believe there could have been a safety consideration at the time of failure then PLEASE respond to Jontyg's questionnaire that he sent you (NOT GOT ONE the PM Jontyg ASAP).   APATHY over this simply will NOT GET RESULTS so please get you pens out and complete his forms and send back to him ASAP and give him a chance at bending VOSA's ear for the benefit of us all.
 
Andy
 :149:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: olliesme on 03 September, 2013, 04:11:40 PM
On original stator as far as I can find out. 06 biffer with 32,000 miles on the clock. Hope I'm not tempting fate.  :164:

Ol
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: kleopapas on 04 September, 2013, 06:17:57 PM
May the farce be with you mate ::)
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: reaper on 09 September, 2013, 10:27:13 PM
2006 (ABS type), 37500 miles, bought with registered maintenance hystory, ,no stator issues
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: JaniKnuutila on 11 September, 2013, 10:01:26 AM
2009, 14500km behind. No issues.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: nickynoo on 27 September, 2013, 09:32:29 AM
2007, original one went last week whilst instructing half way through a CBT, had 28,500 miles on the clock. Replaced with no hassle whatsoever under warranty by Lloyd Honda Carlisle.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Shinobollo on 31 October, 2013, 02:48:23 PM
2006 A6 - First one went three years ago after about 15,000 miles. 2nd one just gone (I think) 22,000 miles. Bike died the other day - haven't had a chance to check yet but all the symptoms appear the same as last time
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: tortoise on 31 October, 2013, 06:52:23 PM
09 bike 20,000 miles orignal stator
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Rev Ken on 31 October, 2013, 07:03:04 PM
10 bike (mk1) 25,000 miles still 'rocking'.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 01 November, 2013, 02:02:13 PM
*Originally Posted by Rev Ken [+]
10 bike (mk1) 25,000 miles still 'rocking'.

But you still have your spare just in case (as indeed I do) - good policy.   Ken, You may already being quietly doing so but I really wish that there was some ear tweaking you might be able to administer to ensure than jontyg's ultimate plea to VOSA doesn't fall on cloth ears.
 
Hard riding with plenty of revs (no, not Rev's :012: ) is one of the few consistant factors which seems to aid the our ailing stator's - and, I am told, not many can keep up with our Padre  :015: .
 
Andy
 :149:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Thiss on 01 November, 2013, 05:18:52 PM
09 bike.  28k on clock.  Replaced by Honda recently.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Rev Ken on 03 November, 2013, 01:38:14 PM
*Originally Posted by Bifferman [+]

But you still have your spare just in case (as indeed I do) - good policy.   Ken, You may already being quietly doing so but I really wish that there was some ear tweaking you might be able to administer to ensure than jontyg's ultimate plea to VOSA doesn't fall on cloth ears.
 
Hard riding with plenty of revs (no, not Rev's :012: ) is one of the few consistant factors which seems to aid the our ailing stator's - and, I am told, not many can keep up with our Padre  :015: .
 
Andy
 :149:

Has johntyg had a reply?
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: BORN AGAIN BIKER on 03 January, 2014, 04:29:50 PM
So 16 days before the bikes 2nd birthday I think I have joined the not so exclusive stator failure club.
The battery has let me down 3 times within a month  :232:
Despite charging overnight and my 20 mile trip into work it would not start last night.
Honda assist came out today and its charging at 10v, the AA chap diagnosed alternator failure.
Bike dispatched to Blade Reading. They obviously have to do there own diagnosis, but informed me probably not until Tuesday. So I presume I will be driving a cage for the next week  :157:   
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Nuff on 06 January, 2014, 01:01:16 PM
*Originally Posted by BORN AGAIN BIKER [+]
So 16 days before the bikes 2nd birthday I think I have joined the not so exclusive stator failure club.
The battery has let me down 3 times within a month  :232:
Despite charging overnight and my 20 mile trip into work it would not start last night.
Honda assist came out today and its charging at 10v, the AA chap diagnosed alternator failure.
Bike dispatched to Blade Reading. They obviously have to do there own diagnosis, but informed me probably not until Tuesday. So I presume I will be driving a cage for the next week  :157:   
*Originally Posted by BORN AGAIN BIKER [+]
So 16 days before the bikes 2nd birthday I think I have joined the not so exclusive stator failure club.
The battery has let me down 3 times within a month  :232:
Despite charging overnight and my 20 mile trip into work it would not start last night.
Honda assist came out today and its charging at 10v, the AA chap diagnosed alternator failure.
Bike dispatched to Blade Reading. They obviously have to do there own diagnosis, but informed me probably not until Tuesday. So I presume I will be driving a cage for the next week  :157:   

That's what annoys me. It's a five minute test, but it means the parts will be ordered DAYS quicker.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: shumba on 06 January, 2014, 02:44:32 PM
He who lets bike run at low revs or idle for long time ,Him will soon feel wrath of toasted stator.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: BORN AGAIN BIKER on 06 January, 2014, 03:14:28 PM
*Originally Posted by Nuff [+]
That's what annoys me. It's a five minute test, but it means the parts will be ordered DAYS quicker.

Yes agree with you Nuff. I work in a dealership and we have a policy in my department (bodyshop) to estimate damage the day the vehicle arrives with us. If only service departments had the same policy  :110:
Needless to say I will be phoning Blade at lunchtime tomorrow expecting an update. 
I would then expect the spares ordered and with the dealer for Thursday.
If i am lucky I may see the bike back for the weekend.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Josiah on 06 January, 2014, 10:11:38 PM
*Originally Posted by BORN AGAIN BIKER [+]
Yes agree with you Nuff. I work in a dealership and we have a policy in my department (bodyshop) to estimate damage the day the vehicle arrives with us. If only service departments had the same policy  :110:
Needless to say I will be phoning Blade at lunchtime tomorrow expecting an update. 
I would then expect the spares ordered and with the dealer for Thursday.
If i am lucky I may see the bike back for the weekend.

If you mention this forum to Reading Blade Honda they will give you 10% off any bills. But you should have no charge for the stator replacement.

Josiah

Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: BORN AGAIN BIKER on 07 January, 2014, 06:29:20 AM
*Originally Posted by Josiah [+]
If you mention this forum to Reading Blade Honda they will give you 10% off any bills. But you should have no charge for the stator replacement.

Josiah

Good shout with the 10% for forum members Josiah hope I don't need it.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: BORN AGAIN BIKER on 07 January, 2014, 01:05:06 PM
Good news from Blade Reading, bike looked at late yesterday, parts ordered and due in today  :047:
New stator, flywheel and battery all covered by warranty. So I should be back on two wheels before the weekend.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 07 January, 2014, 04:17:04 PM
*Originally Posted by BORN AGAIN BIKER [+]
Good news from Blade Reading, bike looked at late yesterday, parts ordered and due in today  :047:
New stator, flywheel and battery all covered by warranty. So I should be back on two wheels before the weekend.

Blade Reading must be monitoring this forum Mike, great promotional technique especially if they can offload the cost price of the battery onto Honda UK.  Q:  After service like this would you return to Blade Reading ?
 
Andy
 :149:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: BORN AGAIN BIKER on 07 January, 2014, 06:04:42 PM
*Originally Posted by Bifferman [+]

Blade Reading must be monitoring this forum Mike, great promotional technique especially if they can offload the cost price of the battery onto Honda UK.  Q:  After service like this would you return to Blade Reading ?
 
Andy
 :149:

Just received a call, the bike is ready for collection, GREAT SERVICE, now just got to sort out the logistics of when I can collect as using works car and in west London during working hours. May be a quick blat down the M4 at lunch time tomorrow with a work mate.

And yes Andy I would use them again.

Graham 
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 22 January, 2014, 11:11:14 AM
 See the VOSA thread for the conclusion of Jontyg's efforts with VOSA on behalf of all CBF1000 MKI owners in an attempt to get a recall on safety grounds for the failing stator plates: https://www.cbf1000.com/index.php/topic,6340.msg200738/topicseen.html#new (https://www.cbf1000.com/index.php/topic,6340.msg200738/topicseen.html#new)
 
Andy
 (https://www.cbf1000.com/Smileys/cbf1000/149.gif)
 
Andy
 (https://www.cbf1000.com/Smileys/cbf1000/149.gif)
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: markymark on 04 February, 2014, 06:34:08 PM
Hi there, just joined the forum as a new member, bought a Pearl Amber 2008 secondhand from Farnham Honda with 27,000 miles on it, rode it home, wouldn't start next morning, checked the battery and wasn't charging, took it back today and they confirmed it is not charging and they are fixing it under warranty so good news ! - I can't say what the actual fault is yet as they haven't started on it yet but if any use I will report their findings when I collect next week. Farnham seem very helpful so far so will report back.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: cryan on 22 February, 2014, 07:31:33 AM
2007. 74000km. 1st stator.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Silverrider53 on 24 February, 2014, 09:45:55 AM
Update: 40k km (25k miles) Yes my stator was fried and the M50 Honda, Ballymount, Dublin have replaced both flywhell magnet and stator free of charge. Very happy with service and work done with in the week.
I have a little led voltage monitor with 8 leds going from red to green and now the battery voltage before starting in the morning is up in the amber and on starting goes straight to green was very slow in weeks coming up to failure and gradually went to red over a few days after a full trickle charge.
All in all I'm very happy with the outcome - on advice from this site I had fitted the voltage monitor and it gave plenty of warning so I was not stranded.
On another note if it does happen to you and you need to get to the garage a full charged battery (8 months old) with the head lamp fuse removed is good for at least 30 minutes driving.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: twwotn on 09 March, 2014, 07:33:56 PM
2000 model, 15000 miles and we suspect it just died this morning.

Will contact the stealer tomorrow.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: yorky on 09 March, 2014, 08:35:16 PM
2008 ...12,000 miles...o.k. so far!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Brickit on 11 March, 2014, 12:15:02 AM
June 2007....12,000mls. Only 3 months cover left? Think I'll get a voltage meter just in case its starting to go.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Ecosse on 11 March, 2014, 01:02:21 PM
A8 model - 42k miles, original stator.

What are you guys doing to have the stators fail?
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Rev Ken on 11 March, 2014, 07:52:38 PM
*Originally Posted by Ecosse [+]
A8 model - 42k miles, original stator.

What are you guys doing to have the stators fail?

It appears to be random, like the lottery, but I know which one I would prefer to 'win'. :016:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: jontyg on 12 March, 2014, 10:54:26 AM
*Originally Posted by Ecosse [+]
A8 model - 42k miles, original stator.

What are you guys doing to have the stators fail?

Too much idling for long periods in heavy traffic?  :169:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: BORN AGAIN BIKER on 21 March, 2014, 09:57:23 AM
Looks like my second stator may have fried after just 2 months  :157:
As I said before I commute 20 ish miles each way so would expect the bike to remain charged.
But No................ she would hardly turn over this morning, so 25min on the optimate and set of for work.
16 mile blast down the M4 and 4 miles of filtering. Had a cup of tee and put the volt meter on 12.3v showing but not enough to crank her up so I put her back on charge and had another cup of tee. Started her up and showing 13.7v.
So the question is stator or battery or fluke.
As I was informed both replaced by Blade Reading I am just a tad pissed off  :232:   
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Nuff on 21 March, 2014, 10:43:44 AM
What's the battery voltage at idle? I'd expect at least 13.5 if not 14V and relatively stable if everything was charging right.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: BORN AGAIN BIKER on 21 March, 2014, 10:58:50 AM
Hi Nuff, just tried it seems to be 13.8 @ idle and 14.1 @ 2000rpm. I plan to leave it on charge for a couple of hours then retest.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Nuff on 21 March, 2014, 02:02:16 PM
*Originally Posted by BORN AGAIN BIKER [+]
Hi Nuff, just tried it seems to be 13.8 @ idle and 14.1 @ 2000rpm. I plan to leave it on charge for a couple of hours then retest.

Yeah, that rules out charging system to me. To be sure test the continuity on the stator pins, but I'd be focussing more on a potentially duff battery.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: BORN AGAIN BIKER on 21 March, 2014, 02:18:41 PM
Having had it on charge for a couple of hours I am also now thinking battery as still getting 13.8 @ idle.   
Next step I need confirmation that a new battery was actualy fitted.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: jontyg on 21 March, 2014, 04:17:07 PM
*Originally Posted by BORN AGAIN BIKER [+]
Having had it on charge for a couple of hours I am also now thinking battery as still getting 13.8 @ idle.   
Next step I need confirmation that a new battery was actualy fitted.

Most batteries have a label with a makers date, but if it's only a couple of months old, it should look in pristine condition.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: BORN AGAIN BIKER on 21 March, 2014, 05:36:16 PM
So its not looking like a new battery. I am now waiting on a call beck from Blade as IMO it should have been replaced with the stator as the bike was still within its 2 year warranty and the failing stator would have had an effect on the battery......... why was it not replaced  :087:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: richardcbf on 21 March, 2014, 06:59:05 PM
*Originally Posted by BORN AGAIN BIKER [+]
Hi Nuff, just tried it seems to be 13.8 @ idle and 14.1 @ 2000rpm. I plan to leave it on charge for a couple of hours then retest.
Graham,
Which model Optimate do you have? Have you left it hooked up to the battery for long enough?
I installed a new battery (the 4 year old original had been showing signs of going bad for a month or so and then was flat after me getting 'flooded' start procedure wrong) in January.
Anyway, I put the original on charge with my Optimate 5 and after about 3 hours (going through the recovery and test cycles) it was apparently ok again.
Since then it's been in the house and I put it on the Optimate earlier (test cycles took about an hour) and it's still ok.

Edit 28/03/2014:
Also & but....
"...the voltage of a battery during charge increases due to the acid concentration that occurs at the plates’ surface.
If the charge rate is significant, the voltage will rise rapidly.
The taper charger or vehicle voltage regulator will taper the charge rate drastically as the voltage rises above 13.5, but is the battery state of charge commensurate with the voltage? No!
Once again, it takes time for the acid to diffuse throughout the cells. Although the voltage may be high, the electrolyte in the outer reaches of the cells is still weak, and the battery may be at a much lower state of charge than the voltage would indicate.
Only after charging for an extended period at the reduced current will the full capacity be reached.
This is the reason you must not judge a battery’s state of charge by measuring voltage while charging.
Test it only after allowing the battery to sit for at least an hour.
The voltage will reduce and stabilize as the acid diffuses throughout the cells."
http://www.yuasabatteries.com/motor_battery.php (http://www.yuasabatteries.com/motor_battery.php)
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: johnstg2 on 22 March, 2014, 01:03:31 PM
*Originally Posted by BORN AGAIN BIKER [+]
.... it should have been replaced with the stator as the bike was still within its 2 year warranty and the failing stator would have had an effect on the battery....

Not necessarily....when my stator was replaced I didn't get a new battery and it was still O.K. three years later when I traded in the bike. The rec/reg is a buffer between the battery and the alternator so should protect the battery from anything the alternator can throw at it.

Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: richardcbf on 22 March, 2014, 02:55:37 PM
*Originally Posted by johnstg2 [+]
*Originally Posted by BORN AGAIN BIKER [+]
....it should have been replaced with the stator as the bike was still within its 2 year warranty and the failing stator would have had an effect on the battery.........

Not necessarily....when my stator was replaced I didn't get a new battery and it was still O.K. three years later when I traded in the bike. The rec/reg is a buffer between the battery and the alternator so should protect the battery from anything the alternator can throw at it.
But, could a 'bad' battery cause failure of the Stator?....

"...the battery acts as a large filter capacitor to keep a "min load" on the stator, thus limiting the voltage that can be produced (open circuit voltage). Without the battery, very little current would flow from the stator, but very large voltages (hundreds of volts) would be generated in the windings, leading to weak point arcing within the windings.

Now, current load on the stator is based on what is connected to the electrical system. A bad battery can draw a huge amount of current, dropping the voltage the stator can deliver. The problem here is that heavy current loads cause the stator windings to heat up, and can lead to insulation breakdown causing shorts to ground, or open circuits within the weakest point of the winding. It is no different than if you were to take a transformer and short the output ... it would heat up and eventually short/open its secondary winding.....

...An old stator is more "prone" to overvoltage and over current conditions than a new one, so keeping the battery good, changing fluids, general maintenance will all help....
....the single biggest way to prevent a stator failure (charging windings) would be to make sure the battery is good, and NEVER try to charge a bad battery. "
http://cx500forum.com/forum/general-discussion/5716-why-do-stators-fail.html (http://cx500forum.com/forum/general-discussion/5716-why-do-stators-fail.html)

Also....
http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/51669068/Ducati%20Info/Charging%20system%20article%20from%20VA%20Duc%20adobe.pdf (http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/51669068/Ducati%20Info/Charging%20system%20article%20from%20VA%20Duc%20adobe.pdf)

 :084:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: BORN AGAIN BIKER on 24 March, 2014, 02:00:02 PM
Richard, I thought my charger was an Optimate but is in fact a Halfords Bike it Motorcycle Smart Charger 2-4 Amp.
Also just had confirmation from Blade that a new battery was fitted .
I have used the bike everyday since my original post but have had it on charge each evening as I don't have a lot of confidence it will start otherwise.
I am also checking the voltage and it does not seem to be dropping below 12.4 when parked up between charges.
On 19th April I am booked in at Blade for a diagnostic check £30 refundable if found to be related to the warranty claim.
I would have liked to have done this sooner but as I work in west London and Blade are in Reading its the first available opportunity when i am not working.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: richardcbf on 25 March, 2014, 11:02:09 PM
*Originally Posted by BORN AGAIN BIKER [+]
Richard, I thought my charger was an Optimate but is in fact a Halfords Bike it Motorcycle Smart Charger 2-4 Amp.
Also just had confirmation from Blade that a new battery was fitted .
I have used the bike everyday since my original post but have had it on charge each evening as I don't have a lot of confidence it will start otherwise.
I am also checking the voltage and it does not seem to be dropping below 12.4 when parked up between charges.
On 19th April I am booked in at Blade for a diagnostic check £30 refundable if found to be related to the warranty claim.
I would have liked to have done this sooner but as I work in west London and Blade are in Reading its the first available opportunity when i am not working.
That seems a bit low, if the battery is new and accepting a full charge, based on what Yuasa say.....

Prior to conducting this test, make sure the battery has not been recently charged.
You must wait at least one hour after charging your battery to conduct this test.
- Adjust voltmeter to DC volts (20 volt range).
- Place voltmeter leads to the battery terminals. (positive to positive and negative to negative)
- Read voltage and refer to the chart below.

100% Charged: 12.60v
75% Charged: 12.40v
50% Charged: 12.10v
25% Charged: 11.90v
0% Charged:  less than 11.80v

http://www.yuasabatteries.com/faqs.php?action=1&id=30 (http://www.yuasabatteries.com/faqs.php?action=1&id=30)
See also: http://www.yuasabatteries.com/faqs.php (http://www.yuasabatteries.com/faqs.php)
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: BORN AGAIN BIKER on 26 March, 2014, 09:28:37 AM
Thanks Richard, I will do as you sugest this evening.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: richardcbf on 26 March, 2014, 10:23:58 AM
Hi Graham, see attached from the 'MK1' workshop manual.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: BORN AGAIN BIKER on 25 April, 2014, 05:45:27 PM
So I checked the charging levels and all seemed OK and booked the bike into Blade Honda for them to have a look (cost £33). Reported all charging OK but battery could be faulty. They have since referred back to Honda and I now have to leave it with them for a full charge and reinspection on 1st May. They said the battery may not be covered as I had not paid for it?
I am still riding everyday but carry my charger with me and leave on charge every other day, I only stop for fuel on the day following an overnight charge, just in case.
Unfortunately i have lost confidence in my trusty steed at the moment  :003:   
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Nuff on 27 April, 2014, 01:30:25 AM
The fact you didn't pay for it should ADD weight to your claim. It's a warranty repair, they have a responsibility to provide parts TO QUALITY. Otherwise they could take shagged parts off one bike, stick them on another and "hey, you didn't pay for it the first time, now you are over a barrel"
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: BORN AGAIN BIKER on 28 April, 2014, 01:04:04 PM
My thoughts entirely Nuff, I have already informed them I work for a Toyota dealership and I would expect a 'fitted part warranty' to apply or I will be making noises at Honda UK.
As an aside they noted on the vehicle health check that I have excessive wear in my rear wheel bearings so I am getting them to fit new when it is in.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bazza99 on 01 May, 2014, 04:05:32 PM
I was - until Monday when it decided enough was enough & stator burned out.  In dealer / Honda Uk hands now waiting for decision on extended warranty.  Bike is Oct 2009 registration with almost 33k on clock.  :148:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Westy on 01 May, 2014, 04:20:30 PM
Me too. Original stator tilll 1 month after 7th birthday. 36000 odd miles. Being repaired at own expense.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bazza99 on 01 May, 2014, 04:24:19 PM
Call Honda Customer Support to investigate extended warranty. The worst is that they say no.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 01 May, 2014, 04:25:34 PM
*Originally Posted by Bazza99 [+]
  Bike is Oct 2009 registration with almost 33k on clock.  :148:

Should be a no brainer then  :145: .  Failures keep on rolling in at a steady rate, never mind, yours will be mended soon  :051: .
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 01 May, 2014, 04:27:11 PM
*Originally Posted by Bazza99 [+]
Call Honda Customer Support to investigate extended warranty. The worst is that they say no.

Bit late I think, Honda beat you to it and did their worst for bikes over 7 years old  :027: .
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: jontyg on 02 May, 2014, 08:28:53 AM
*Originally Posted by Bazza99 [+]
I was - until Monday when it decided enough was enough & stator burned out.  In dealer / Honda Uk hands now waiting for decision on extended warranty.  Bike is Oct 2009 registration with almost 33k on clock.  :148:

Sorry to hear of your suspect stator failure Bazza. If true, you've reached a milestone on this forum as you're the 150th member to have experienced this annoying, inconvenient, safety related and expensive breakdown.  :720: In your case though, I believe that Honda will 'cough up' the necessary action to get you mobile again asap.  :016:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bazza99 on 07 May, 2014, 07:37:29 PM
 :047:  Dealer confirmed today that Honda have agreed to replace the offending article - parts on order & due soon, bike should be back in action next week.
Really thankful that it waited until I left the M1 to give up the ghost - half an hour earlier and I could have been faced with negotiating 5 lanes to get to the hard shoulder with no go, indicators or headlight!! 

Looking forward to some warm weather and a few more miles on the wee beastie.   :495:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Nuff on 07 May, 2014, 08:13:12 PM
*Originally Posted by Bazza99 [+]
:047:  Dealer confirmed today that Honda have agreed to replace the offending article - parts on order & due soon, bike should be back in action next week.
Really thankful that it waited until I left the M1 to give up the ghost - half an hour earlier and I could have been faced with negotiating 5 lanes to get to the hard shoulder with no go, indicators or headlight!! 

Looking forward to some warm weather and a few more miles on the wee beastie.   :495:

It's OK, you'd have been fine, Honda say it's not a safety issue......
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 08 May, 2014, 08:23:14 AM
*Originally Posted by Nuff [+]
It's OK, you'd have been fine, Honda say it's not a safety issue......

They did say that, didn't they  :087: .     I wonder how they got that notion and managed to con VOSA (now DVSA) into the bargain  :145: .
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: BORN AGAIN BIKER on 08 May, 2014, 12:04:03 PM
I am hoping my electrical issues are at an end. Bike went back into Blade Reading and they confirmed Honda agreed to replace my replacement battery under a good will claim. Just out of pocket the £33 diagnosis fee.
More chance of hearing a fart in a hurricane than getting that refunded.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Nuff on 09 May, 2014, 01:55:15 AM
That's for you to talk to the dealer about. Not right in my book though.... They should claim it back from Honda as part of the labour for the repair....
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: BORN AGAIN BIKER on 09 May, 2014, 09:23:42 AM
*Originally Posted by Nuff [+]
That's for you to talk to the dealer about. Not right in my book though.... They should claim it back from Honda as part of the labour for the repair....

Already done the talking  :157: and drawn a blank.
I know from experience working for several car dealerships and a manufacturer once they have said it is a good will claim rather than warranty you have lost the diagnosis fee.
Lets just hope it doesn't fry again as i would be tempted to ride it up the ramp and park it in Honda UK's reception at Langley   
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Ossymosis on 16 June, 2014, 11:56:03 AM
Looks like I've became the next victim of this issue. 20k miles just had new mot. I think it's the first time its gone.
Aldelaide bike assist on its way.
I pulled over at my destination abs noticed headlight flickering. I pushed the start button as had been having issues with sticky contact. The bike died and now won't start as battery is flat.
looks like the electix stator will be being purchased as warranty expired july last year!
ossy
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: vfrphil on 26 August, 2014, 10:17:43 AM
*Originally Posted by vfrphil [+]
'59 plate GT 10600 miles and still going strong on the original one, despite being dropped by my late father when he slipped on gravel.

Spoke too soon, failed at 13.5k currently being investigated by Honda as to whether I can get it under warranty as its within the Vin range for the 7 year warranty.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 26 August, 2014, 11:09:35 AM
*Originally Posted by vfrphil [+]
Spoke too soon, failed at 13.5k currently being investigated by Honda as to whether I can get it under warranty as its within the Vin range for the 7 year warranty.

7 years from Date of First Registration.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: vfrphil on 26 August, 2014, 11:27:48 AM
 :430: Should be ok then as its only 5 years old.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Airgar on 01 September, 2014, 05:14:04 AM
58000km and still going strong! original stator, on second battery though :031:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: JJPMGC on 24 September, 2014, 10:06:48 AM
My CBf1000 ABS MK1 form 2007 has 29.000 km and still has the original stator.
Honda extedend warranty ended five months ago.
I have a 2nd hand warranty until August 2015 from the dealer I bought the bike.
Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Brickit on 25 September, 2014, 01:23:55 AM
Just got back from a 2800 mile trip through France, Switzerland, Italy, France again, Andorra and the Pyrenees. Completed in 10 days, using recommended bikers routes and only about 100mls of motorway. Fantastic trip, weather fine all the way and the bike performed faultlessly.......... until 50 miles from my final destination, Santander. That's when the LED light on my Gammatronix battery charge indicator turned red and then started flashing red. Got to the centre of Santander when the bike died and of course the Stator had packed up. (Mine's a 2007 CBF1000 A, 19,000mls on the clock and is unfortunately 7 years and 4 months old). Because the stator is out of warranty, I'd bought a new stator from Electrex and taken it with me, just in case.
Changing the thing looked  pretty simple and all the tools needed are in the standard Honda toolkit. I even had a tube of Hylomar gasket sealant and enough oil to replace any spillage and get me going.
WRONG!!!
The open ended 8mm spanner supplied in the kit just won't look at the bolts securing the Stator cover. A decent ring spanner is required. So....it was call Swinton and make use of the breakdown insurance.  In the end, the bike went on the truck and the  local Honda garage did the job.  I couldn't really plead to get it done as an extended warranty job as my Spanish is rubbish and, surprisingly,  no-one in the garage spoke English. In the end it cost  50 Euros for them to fit the Electrex stator, but most importantly, I did manage to get back to Plymouth without having to alter the ferry booking. I don't think I would have caught the boat if I hadn't brought the spare stator.
All in all, I almost did everything right. I would definitely recommend taking a spare stator if you are touring abroad but also take a good 8mm ring spanner or socket set and do the job yourself.
Anyone got any idea how long the Electrex stator is likely to last?
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: richardcbf on 25 September, 2014, 07:21:54 AM
*Originally Posted by Brickit [+]
......Anyone got any idea how long the Electrex stator is likely to last?
Forum member Shumba may be your man for that!......

*Originally Posted by shumba [+]
October, 2013
Have only had my cbf1000 for a few weeks love the bike to bits and will be doing some fairly long trips in the near future. The stator issue is something that l am not ,happy to take a chance with, l have purchased an electrex stator, that l have been assured has modified coils to lessen the chance of a burn out ,l will also have the correct spanners and allen keys to do a what looks like a fairly easy roadside swop over if need be,l already know that Honda are giving a 7 year guarantee, Well that will be as much use as a chocolate fire guard if l am 300 plus miles from home.l least this way l will able to get back home and seems like money well spent for the peace of mind alone.
*Originally Posted by shumba [+]
September 2014
 Hi JJPMGC
 I have never heard of one of those £150 replacement stators ever failing when fitted to a biffer ,even when fitted with the original  rotor. Why would that be its because they are far more beefier and better made than the Honda ones. If any one has PROOF to the contrary I am all ears. In the first week of ownership of my bike I kicked the Honda stator into touch . and went with a beefier after market job fitted to the same rotor 5500miles later still working fine and working a lot more efficiently than the Honda one .I can only repeat that if any one has proof of the after market stators fitted to a biffer failing then please let me know. I am not all that interested in hearsay or what any one thinks without foundation.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: RV06 on 08 October, 2014, 06:47:44 PM
I have an '06 biffer that died last week with this issue...with about 15k on the clock.... I have been informed by my mechanic that during his discussion with HOnda was advised that my bike will NOT be fixed for free, as it has fallen beyond the 7 year limit they have arbitrarily imposed.. I have NOT been able to discuss/argue this with Honda but was wondering of anyone has had this problem on a 7yr old+ bike, and  wheter it was done for free...I'd like to have some ammunition for my pending conversation with them!  :023:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: RogerG on 09 October, 2014, 11:40:10 AM
My 7 years is up next May, and so far, so good, with 22,000 miles on the clock, but I plan to take mine to my usual Honda dealer next April and pay them to remove the Alternator cover and have a look, on the assumption that even if the electrical readings are ok, they would replace it FOC if obvious signs of burnt coils were present. It would be worth an hour’s labour charge to me for piece of mind.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: richardcbf on 09 October, 2014, 12:02:54 PM
*Originally Posted by RogerG [+]
My 7 years is up next May, and so far, so good, with 22,000 miles on the clock, but I plan to take mine to my usual Honda dealer next April and pay them to remove the Alternator cover and have a look, on the assumption that even if the electrical readings are ok, they would replace it FOC if obvious signs of burnt coils were present. It would be worth an hour’s labour charge to me for piece of mind.
Presumably you must have a very good relationship with your Honda dealer!  :037:
(Note that the Honda 'warranty' work includes replacement of Rotor as well as Stator and I'd imagine that Honda would usually require more evidence than a just photo of Stator, e.g., Diagnostic report, before agreeing to cover costs?)
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 09 October, 2014, 12:35:50 PM
*Originally Posted by richardcbf [+]
Presumably you must have a very good relationship with your Honda dealer!  :037:
(Note that the Honda 'warranty' work includes replacement of Rotor as well as Stator and I'd imagine that Honda would usually require more evidence than a just photo of Stator, e.g., Diagnostic report, before agreeing to cover costs?)

And, Honda quite possibly would also want the stator to have actually failed.  I suspect that your dealers approach to Honda would be crucial (IF of course it is needed at all  :002: ).
 
Andy
 :149:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Brickit on 09 October, 2014, 09:27:50 PM
After my experience in Spain, when the stator blew after 7 years and 4 months and 19k miles, why spend all the money and aggravation trying to get blood out of a stone with Honda? For £100.00, just buy a spare stator and keep it handy with the 8mm ring spanner, a drop of engine oil and some gasket sealant. You can have the bike back on the road within the hour if you do it yourself.!
Of course, if you buy a stator,  the original will carry on performing faultlessly.....maybe, but then I'm sure someone on this forum will give you a good price for the spare when you sell the bike.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: FrasMac on 09 October, 2014, 09:40:24 PM
Well, 12000 miles in, I'm still on stator no.1
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 10 October, 2014, 08:42:05 AM
*Originally Posted by Brickit [+]
After my experience in Spain, when the stator blew after 7 years and 4 months and 19k miles, why spend all the money and aggravation trying to get blood out of a stone with Honda? For £100.00, just buy a spare stator and keep it handy with the 8mm ring spanner, a drop of engine oil and some gasket sealant. You can have the bike back on the road within the hour if you do it yourself.!
Of course, if you buy a stator,  the original will carry on performing faultlessly.....maybe, but then I'm sure someone on this forum will give you a good price for the spare when you sell the bike.

I hope so  :164: .

Going rate is about 50 squids - that's what I paid for my spare off a member when he sold his bike (it was a brand new Honda Stator still in it's bubble wrap) and also what another was 'sold' for on here with proceeds going to a biking Charity.
 
Working s/h stators available from time to time off fleabay for around £50-60 or otherwise a rewound unit at c.£125 from West Country Windings or Electrex.
 
Andy
 :149:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: mlf1v on 31 October, 2014, 03:28:19 PM
CBF1000GT purchased new 2009.
Stator burnt out September 2014.
Mileage 23676
Only just had replacement stator fitted free of charge but oil change + filter were advised - Honda does not include that cost
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: pt151 on 31 October, 2014, 04:26:15 PM
2009, 13,000 miles, original stator still working
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: richardcbf on 31 October, 2014, 04:42:53 PM
*Originally Posted by pt151 [+]
2009, 13,000 miles, original stator still working
Ditto. (I must get out more!)
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: FRANKIE FOSTER on 02 November, 2014, 05:05:29 PM
Mines a 2006 still going so far miles 34845 cheers frankie
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Broon on 02 November, 2014, 06:45:31 PM
2008 ABS model with 16k miles on original stator. Off to Spain next June so hoping it doesn't let me down.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Sunset Rider on 03 November, 2014, 08:31:38 AM
*Originally Posted by Broon [+]
2008 ABS model with 16k miles on original stator. Off to Spain next June so hoping it doesn't let me down.
Fingers crossed for you mate.....but if I were you, I would get a spare stator.....just for insurance sake. If you are lucky enough not touse it,you can always flogg it off.
It seems to me that thet the stuff up happens around the 20000 miles mark. mine went at 23000Kms.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 03 November, 2014, 07:33:19 PM
*Originally Posted by Broon [+]
2008 ABS model with 16k miles on original stator. Off to Spain next June so hoping it doesn't let me down.

You need to do a search on here.  About 5 or 6 years ago there was a guy on here who was touring in less populated areas of central Spain and he was one of the earlier stator failures.  Apart from a blazing row with Honda on recovery of expenditure his main issue was getting a replacement stator in middle spain, having it fitted was simple.  It basically ruined his tour and cost him a bundle while having to wait about a week before the parts were available.  Alternative was International Rescue. 
 
If you are going to somewhere remote then do consider taking a spare stator.  Almost any garage can change it but they need one to change in the first place. Ask Rev Ken of his friends experiences returning from his/their tour of Brittany a couple of years ago - Failures on return journey to ferry - Ken was carrying but I think they were so close to the ferry it wasn't utilised.
 
Andy
 :149:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Broon on 06 November, 2014, 06:37:24 PM
OK guys .... You've got me suitably concerned about possibility of stator failure on my trip to Spain which would be a show stopper if I wasn't carrying a spare stator. So question is where is the best place to buy one and what do they cost. Can see some on eBay ex USA but want a UK supplier. Any advice very much welcomed.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: richardcbf on 06 November, 2014, 06:56:31 PM
*Originally Posted by Broon [+]
OK guys .... You've got me suitably concerned about possibility of stator failure on my trip to Spain which would be a show stopper if I wasn't carrying a spare stator. So question is where is the best place to buy one and what do they cost. Can see some on eBay ex USA but want a UK supplier. Any advice very much welcomed.
I reckon you should try Electrex, either direct at http://www.electrexworld.co.uk/acatalog/G112.html (http://www.electrexworld.co.uk/acatalog/G112.html)
or via Wemoto....
http://www.wemoto.com/bikes/honda/cbf_1000_6/06/picture/generator_-_stator_-_by_electrex/ (http://www.wemoto.com/bikes/honda/cbf_1000_6/06/picture/generator_-_stator_-_by_electrex/)

p.s., just in case you have a desire to spend a bit less and £40 staying in your pocket will entice you to buy from Germany....... 
EUR 99.00 Approximately £77.39
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lichtmaschine-Stator-Alternator-Honda-CBF1000-SC58-2006-2010-neu-/361044221481 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lichtmaschine-Stator-Alternator-Honda-CBF1000-SC58-2006-2010-neu-/361044221481)
 :005:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Broon on 07 November, 2014, 07:49:34 PM
Has anyone on the site purchased one of these German stators ? Looks like a good deal at around £77 versus the £115 from Wemoto or Electrex.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Biker Mike on 08 November, 2014, 07:51:48 AM
If you're interested, there's also a long thread on this topic on the German CBF1000 site as you might expect, although you may want to open it in Chrome and take advantage of the translate facility.
The Germans refer to this problem as the LIMA.
Maybe you'll also find reference to their source of non-OEM supplied stators...

http://www.cbf-1000.de/VBForum/showthread.php?22896-Noch-ne-LIMA-platt&highlight=Lichtmaschine (http://www.cbf-1000.de/VBForum/showthread.php?22896-Noch-ne-LIMA-platt&highlight=Lichtmaschine)

Mike
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: richardcbf on 08 November, 2014, 09:54:37 AM
Mike,
Thanks for that.
From post #285 that thread on the German CBF1000 forum....

(I read using https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbf-1000.de%2FVBForum%2Fshowthread.php%3F22896-Noch-ne-LIMA-platt%26highlight%3DLichtmaschine&edit-text= (https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbf-1000.de%2FVBForum%2Fshowthread.php%3F22896-Noch-ne-LIMA-platt%26highlight%3DLichtmaschine&edit-text=) )

....for the MK1 (SC58) bike, there's a combined Stator & Flywheel (rotor) kit now available.....
Kit bestehend aus Stator und Rotor - original Honda ! CBF1000 SC58
Honda Part Number: 06311MFA309  Price: Euro 369.20
http://www.my-bikeshop.de/product_info.php/info/p382572_STATOR-ROTOR-KIT-SC58.html (http://www.my-bikeshop.de/product_info.php/info/p382572_STATOR-ROTOR-KIT-SC58.html)
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Sunset Rider on 09 November, 2014, 10:18:20 AM
*Originally Posted by richardcbf [+]
Mike,
Thanks for that.
From post #285 that thread on the German CBF1000 forum....

(I read using https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbf-1000.de%2FVBForum%2Fshowthread.php%3F22896-Noch-ne-LIMA-platt%26highlight%3DLichtmaschine&edit-text= (https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbf-1000.de%2FVBForum%2Fshowthread.php%3F22896-Noch-ne-LIMA-platt%26highlight%3DLichtmaschine&edit-text=) )


....for the MK1 (SC58) bike, there's a combined Stator & Flywheel (rotor) kit now available.....
Kit bestehend aus Stator und Rotor - original Honda ! CBF1000 SC58
Honda Part Number: 06311MFA309  Price: Euro 369.20
http://www.my-bikeshop.de/product_info.php/info/p382572_STATOR-ROTOR-KIT-SC58.html (http://www.my-bikeshop.de/product_info.php/info/p382572_STATOR-ROTOR-KIT-SC58.html)

I could be wrong....but this stator and rotor kit sound reasonable to me. Certainly worth a peace of mind if you are travelling far abroad.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Xinthus on 09 November, 2014, 04:06:05 PM
as far as im aware im still on the original Stator,   nothing in the paper work to show its had a change,   im approaching 6K miles, so have no reason to believe its a replaced one yet!! :) on a 2011 plate im not expecting it to fail either lol..   though I hear and read that older models have had many problems.  im hoping mine is after they kinda sorted it lolz

Well heres Hoping
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Rev Ken on 09 November, 2014, 08:17:12 PM
If you've only got one large and clumsy silencer the compensation is that you won't have that interesting dilemma wondering 'will it, won't it?' Much like 'she loves me, she loves me not'. :125:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Sunset Rider on 09 November, 2014, 09:41:07 PM
*Originally Posted by Sunset Rider [+]
I could be wrong....but this stator and rotor kit sound reasonable to me. Certainly worth a peace of mind if you are travelling far abroad.

I wonder if anyone has purchased one of those stator and Rotor kit and can give some insight as to their reliability.

I would also like to hear from anyone who has has a stator and rotor replaced by Honda after that have completed the same distance on their bike after the replacement was fitted. It seems to me that these stators become problematic somewhere between the 16000 - 23000 miles.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Yosser on 09 November, 2014, 10:19:25 PM
*Originally Posted by Sunset Rider [+]
I could be wrong....but this stator and rotor kit sound reasonable to me.

I could be wrong.....but can 369 Euros sound 'reasonable' in any language  - even Strine ??   Maybe Sunset Rider owns the mineral rights to the entirety of Coober Pedy or somethin' !
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Sunset Rider on 09 November, 2014, 11:10:29 PM
*Originally Posted by Yosser [+]

I could be wrong.....but can 369 Euros sound 'reasonable' in any language  - even Strine ??   Maybe Sunset Rider owns the mineral rights to the entirety of Coober Pedy or somethin' !

Ha Ha,I wish.....but certainly not the case.
But if it cures the problem......it is well worth it,especially if you want to keep the bike long term or buying one that may be a few years old. I am fully aware of after market stators such as the ones provided  Electrex and the MCR racing....but somehow, I still think that it is only addressing half the issue.

The other thing also is that Mr Honda charges you a lot more that that for the privilege. Yes 370 Euros is a bit of money that I would prefer in my pocket, but it is a reasonable insurance extra to pay versus the total cost of what you pay for the bike.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: shumba on 10 November, 2014, 08:13:24 AM
 I wonder if any one has questioned the fact that the Honda so called stator issue fix is supposed to be  in a increased oil cooling of the stator as is the case with  MK11 biffers . It then follows that if the  fix was in a revised  stator rotor  as some seem to think  then an increased oil supply would not have been made nor would it have been necessary,  It also  follows  that the  upgrade fix is obviously not in the Honda stator  stator rotor and is in an increased oil supply , And that the Honda stator replacement only can only be looked on as a temporary fix as has proved to be the case in many instances. The after market stator that I have on my MK1 has less windings than the Honda stator , this gives less far less output and produces far less heat . I hasten to add the output is more than enough for the bikes needs.
 Its each to their own and think whatever they wish to, It would be refreshing to hear from someone who is more bike savy and has actually worked with and has a knowledge and understanding of bike electrics.   
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: alan sh on 10 November, 2014, 08:45:50 AM
It could be that there are two solutions.
Either you lower the magnetism of the rotor so it's not overheating the stator or you apply more cooling to the assembly.

Obviously, they cannot do the latter to the MK 1.

Alan
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: shumba on 10 November, 2014, 09:59:39 AM
So if Honda had the solution  in lower rotor magnetism ,then why would they have gone to the trouble of altering the oil supply as they did in the MK11.?
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Sunset Rider on 10 November, 2014, 11:04:26 AM
*Originally Posted by shumba [+]
So if Honda had the solution  in lower rotor magnetism ,then why would they have gone to the trouble of altering the oil supply as they did in the MK11.?
Not necessarily. Most likely, the real answer is in increasing the flow......but since you cannot alter the design of engines already in the market place....you have to find the next commercially available option. This happens consistently in the world of IT and Electronics.....in fact most of the corporate world. if the solution was  as easy as changings the windings in the stator.....they would haave fixed it ages ago and we would not be having discussions about is today.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: shumba on 10 November, 2014, 12:45:45 PM
Hi Sunset Rider
 If Honda had fitted a decent quality stator in the beginning there would not have been any problem.As I have said before I have never heard of a single after market stator ever failing (not re wound stators) why would that be because they are far better quality
  For the past 20 years Honda have been going  down as far as quality is concerned, this is evident in the tyres ,lights,head stock bearings ,wheel bearings ,wind screen and stators that are fitted to biffers all very poor quality ,and over the years  Honda have had every opportunity  to improve things and in their great wisdom they have done nothing. I have been riding bikes for more years than I care to remember and have always looked up to Honda for design and build quality, sadly this is no longer the case I would now put both Kawasaki and Suzuki in front of Honda for both design and quality, I hate to say it but Honda is on a slide down wards, I really hope they get their act together before its to late.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: alan sh on 10 November, 2014, 04:59:03 PM
*Originally Posted by shumba [+]
So if Honda had the solution  in lower rotor magnetism ,then why would they have gone to the trouble of altering the oil supply as they did in the MK11.?
Because it took time for them to work out a solution?

As to quality, the MK 2 is fine by my standards

Alan
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: jontyg on 10 November, 2014, 05:46:10 PM
*Originally Posted by shumba [+]
Hi Sunset Rider
 If Honda had fitted a decent quality stator in the beginning there would not have been any problem.As I have said before I have never heard of a single after market stator ever failing (not re wound stators) why would that be because they are far better quality
  For the past 20 years Honda have been going  down as far as quality is concerned, this is evident in the tyres ,lights,head stock bearings ,wheel bearings ,wind screen and stators that are fitted to biffers all very poor quality ,and over the years  Honda have had every opportunity  to improve things and in their great wisdom they have done nothing. I have been riding bikes for more years than I care to remember and have always looked up to Honda for design and build quality, sadly this is no longer the case I would now put both Kawasaki and Suzuki in front of Honda for both design and quality, I hate to say it but Honda is on a slide down wards, I really hope they get their act together before its to late.

So, you'll be looking to change bikes soon then.  :002:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Chain driven on 02 December, 2014, 09:40:26 PM
Seams in this thread it,s when it fails / age / mileage , but has anybody looked at the conditions that lead up to the failure of the stator if I am correct they are high no/ of owner who use this type of bike to commute ie slow stop/start running or stuck in traffic resulting in consistent high engine temp. Which result in premature failure of the component? Well.  :465:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 03 December, 2014, 08:07:41 AM
*Originally Posted by Chain driven [+]
Seams in this thread it,s when it fails / age / mileage , but has anybody looked at the conditions that lead up to the failure of the stator if I am correct they are high no/ of owner who use this type of bike to commute ie slow stop/start running or stuck in traffic resulting in consistent high engine temp. Which result in premature failure of the component? Well.  :465:

 
Hi CD, you are not the first to have noticed this or similar connection but we have never been able to pin it down conclusively.  As we are referring to commuting then 'Robo' leads the pack here with six (was it really as many as that  :156: ) failures and he spent most of his life in the saddle as a courier.   Fat Harry had at least 3 failures before he threw in the towel but I don't recall him dawdling at low revs. 
 
My 07 Biff's stator is still going strong, mainly open road riding - now where was that piece of wood  :187: .
 
Andy
 :149:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Rev Ken on 03 December, 2014, 08:50:08 AM
The stator failure on our recent tour occurred after several days of hard riding! But on second thoughts we had a few days previously ascended Stavio  Pass, which was first gear for a few miles, as well as other passes. Certainly we had two BMWs that overheated......

But mine is still OK  and my bike has a higher mileage than the one that failed, so it isn't predictable, more's the pity.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Chain driven on 03 December, 2014, 07:21:02 PM
So did not think it was an easy cut and dry answer , I think is down to a poor component/ bad batch I,m sure honda will know the build no/ of the bad batch that they have to use up so rather than recall ( not compulsory by law due to it not being safety related) it's cheaper to just wait and repair the return no/ . I don,t buy the increased oil flow on the mk 2 story
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Stuart Fordyce on 03 December, 2014, 09:52:56 PM
Looks like mine went at the weekend (on track at Snetterton). Delivering 3 AC volts at 5,000 rpm when it should be about 60! Originally thought it was the rectifier, but rectifier's fine. 24,120 miles on a 58 plate Mk 1. No idea if it's on its first or second stator - but I bought it with about 8,000 miles on the clock just under two years ago, with no indication that it had been replaced. 
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Rev Ken on 04 December, 2014, 12:25:30 AM
*Originally Posted by Stuart Fordyce [+]
Looks like mine went at the weekend (on track at Snetterton). Delivering 3 AC volts at 5,000 rpm when it should be about 60! Originally thought it was the rectifier, but rectifier's fine. 24,120 miles on a 58 plate Mk 1. No idea if it's on its first or second stator - but I bought it with about 8,000 miles on the clock just under two years ago, with no indication that it had been replaced.

Bad luck, but I would be most surprised if your stator isn't the original. At least you are in the 7 year limit so should get a free replacement with a new rotor, so long as you get it to a Honda dealer!
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Stuart Fordyce on 04 December, 2014, 11:55:01 AM
I do most of my work myself. I'm in discussions with the Big H at the moment, hopefully I can just pick one up and fit it myself. I CBF'd hiring a van and getting it to a dealer!
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: richardcbf on 05 December, 2014, 04:15:05 PM
*Originally Posted by Chain driven [+]
So did not think it was an easy cut and dry answer , I think is down to a poor component/ bad batch I,m sure honda will know the build no/ of the bad batch that they have to use up so rather than recall ( not compulsory by law due to it not being safety related) it's cheaper to just wait and repair the return no/ . I don,t buy the increased oil flow on the mk 2 story
:028: I'm with you on that.

"
General Stator Failure Information

Stators fail in multiple ways, but are generally simple to troubleshoot. A stator almost always fails due to heat buildup causing an insulation failure of the wire. Keep in mind that a stator is composed of hundreds of feet of very fine wire, with very thin insulation, wound at relatively high tension around a metal core. The stator lives a high stress life, always surrounded by heat. The stator itself produces heat, as it is a by-product of current generation as the magnetic flywheel spins around it. On most engines (specifically 4-stroke's) the stator lives in a bath of oil from the crankcase. While this oil does provide cooling functions as the stator is immersed in it, the ambient temperature is very high as the oil is heated by engine operation.

The stator generally fails from a hot-spot of the wire's insulation wearing through, resulting in two types of short-circuit failures. If the insulation fails somewhere in the middle of a winding, a short circuit occurs in the coil. The remaining wire in the coil after the short is no longer in the circuit, and the winding's output drops by the percentage of the coil that is bypasses. On a charging coil, this is often not immediately apparent, as the stator may still produce enough current to keep the battery marginally charged for a time, but it will start to be noticeable as the battery is never fully charged. The short will often get worse, or occur at other locations on the winding, continually reducing the output. Taking a resistance reading of the coil (described below) and comparing it to the technical resistance specifications of the stator windings (available on all of our product description pages) will help you troubleshoot this type of failure.

The other common type of short-circuit failure on a stator is a short to the stator core, engine case, or commonly called 'ground'. This type of failure occurs when a wire's insulation melts, or is worn through, and allows the wire strand to touch the stator core. The stator core is grounded to the motorcycle chassis through it's mounting bolts. This type of short generally completely destroys the stator coil's output, resulting in no charging or ignition current output. It will often be noticeable as a dead battery, or no spark produced by the ignition system. Keep in mind that the wires exiting the stator to attach to the bikes wiring harness can also have the insulation nicked, or melted, and cause the same kind of failures outside of the windings on the stator poles."
http://racetechelectric.com/ft-750-stators.html (http://racetechelectric.com/ft-750-stators.html)
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: shumba on 05 December, 2014, 05:14:14 PM
 That really puts the case that manufacturers of stators such as Racetechelectric they make good quality stators that seldom if ever give any problems, and of a quality that Honda stators have never come close to.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Stuart Fordyce on 07 December, 2014, 12:34:37 PM
*Originally Posted by Rev Ken [+]
Bad luck, but I would be most surprised if your stator isn't the original. At least you are in the 7 year limit so should get a free replacement with a new rotor, so long as you get it to a Honda dealer!

I got a free replacement stator and new rotor (apparently £500 of parts). I fitted it at the Oval Motorcycle Centre self-service workshop, where I do my work on my bikes. We did encounter a bit of a problem as there are funny thread sizes on the stator and we didn't have the right extractor bolt. However, for reference, the swingarm spindle bolt from a Kawasaki ZX-10R is exactly the right size and thread pitch, so the job was sorted without too much fuss.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Pinch on 10 December, 2014, 09:45:58 PM
Easy query.
Those who gave had stator with/without flywheel replaced under warranty, did they ask for labour charge or was it all done gratis.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: alan sh on 10 December, 2014, 09:57:59 PM
Its all done - including labour - for free.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: johnstg2 on 11 December, 2014, 11:53:11 AM
*Originally Posted by Pinch [+]
Easy query.
Those who gave had stator with/without flywheel replaced under warranty, did they ask for labour charge or was it all done gratis.

*Originally Posted by alan sh [+]
Its all done - including labour - for free.

The only thing they won't pay for is recovery to the dealership.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: richardcbf on 11 December, 2014, 05:05:47 PM
'They' might insist on an Oil & Filter change, which they won't pay for?
Also if the battery needs replacement they may not pay for that?
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Pinch on 11 December, 2014, 08:55:31 PM
Cheers folks, a full charge and a disconnected headlight will get me there.

Just had an oil and filter change from my indie dealer.

Honda battery price looks similar to aftermarket Yuasa bought elsewhere.
Bournemouth Honda have a deal on 16000 mile service at the mo, £375 excluding shims if needed, seems reasonable? No response to my email from yesterday querying the fault though.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Sunset Rider on 11 December, 2014, 11:19:04 PM
*Originally Posted by Chain driven [+]
So did not think it was an easy cut and dry answer , I think is down to a poor component/ bad batch I,m sure honda will know the build no/ of the bad batch that they have to use up so rather than recall ( not compulsory by law due to it not being safety related) it's cheaper to just wait and repair the return no/ . I don,t buy the increased oil flow on the mk 2 story
*Originally Posted by richardcbf [+]
:028: I'm with you on that.

Again +1 and +1

When I went to have mine replaced last year, the dealer had a reference of a specific VIN numbers that this issue referred to. This indicates that not all MK1 were affected.
If we accept that those such as Shumba and others that have replaced their stators with after market ones have not had a recurring problem....then the oil concept does not hold, asthey have done nothing to change that. It is purely and simply a supplier issue with a bad batch that were acquired and placed in the affected bikes with the specific VIN numbers. I tried getting the list from the dealer, with no success. Bad batch end of story.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: richardcbf on 12 December, 2014, 06:22:07 AM
*Originally Posted by Pinch [+]
....Bournemouth Honda have a deal on 16000 mile service at the mo, £375 excluding shims if needed, seems reasonable?....
Seems reasonable to me if the £375 includes VAT and (for the benefit of others  :016: ), here are two relevant previous posts....

16000 mile service
« on: 22 March, 2010, 09:15:14 PM »

https://www.cbf1000.com/index.php/topic,8052.msg105592.html#msg105592 (https://www.cbf1000.com/index.php/topic,8052.msg105592.html#msg105592)

Valve Clearances @ 16k
« on: 15 May, 2009, 06:05:44 PM »

https://www.cbf1000.com/index.php/topic,5977.0.html (https://www.cbf1000.com/index.php/topic,5977.0.html)
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Josiah on 12 December, 2014, 08:03:17 AM
Have a look at this..... if the link works...

https://www.cbf1000.com/index.php/topic,11426.0.html (https://www.cbf1000.com/index.php/topic,11426.0.html)


Josiah ( still )  :125: ( and kneeds koffy )


Ps sorry about hijacking the thread Ken.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: shumba on 12 December, 2014, 10:11:06 AM
Last year I checked my xj900 valves for the first time at 40,000 miles. with  little doubt that they would be in speck after checking them they were all in range. My biffer if I still have it will not have the valves checked before 30,000 because I know it will be totally pointless checking them any sooner. Dealers will tell you anything you want to hear in order to keep you sweet, and when you will  be crossing their palms with wads of cash,well what can I say. Cars with identical valve gear have a recommended check at 60,000 miles ,which is seldom or ever done or carried out in the life of the vehicle about 200,000 miles, its no good some one saying well cars are different because they are not, I have always done all of my own bike servicing and repairs, and because of the condition they are kept in I  have never had problems selling bikes on, And when I think of all the money that I have saved doing my own stuff It feels far better than having wallet withdrawal symptoms for weeks after handing cash over.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Yosser on 15 December, 2014, 03:45:51 PM
*Originally Posted by Sunset Rider [+]
Again +1 and +1

When I went to have mine replaced last year, the dealer had a reference of a specific VIN numbers that this issue referred to. This indicates that not all MK1 were affected.

Ooooh... wouldn't ya just love to get yer mitts on that list !   Well, if you're the prahd owner of a recently-acquired, very low mileage '07 Mk I (as I am) then you sure would... if only so that next time you're two-up, fully laden, and doin' 100+  dahn the autoroute, you can relax a little in the knowledge that it's not necessarily when it's gonna phizzle-out on you and leave you coasting across the path of sundry sleep-deprived Bulgarian truckers and their crazed brethren !
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 15 December, 2014, 06:52:46 PM
*Originally Posted by Sunset Rider [+]
Again +1 and +1

 I tried getting the list from the dealer, with no success. Bad batch end of story.

I really don't believe that it is a bad batch or the story might have ended by now.  The 'bad batch' seems to have been an extraordinarily large one as the year models that this issue has effected spans several years.  It was not until the MKII was produced that the problem was virtually eliminated.
 
Overheating is something that seems common to most troubles and this can be cause d by low-ish oil levels (keep it topped up) as well as low rev/speed riding with possibly a bit of bad luck thrown in.  Mileage is not necessarily a determinant either as some bikes have done quite large mileages with no adverse effects while others have stators which have failed again very quickly (ask Fatharry and Robo).
 
Anything that can be done to keep the temp of the stator down must help as well as perhaps a better made stator or reduced power of the magnets etc etc.  Fact is though that Shumba and his adherents are still in the relatively early stages of useage of their replacement stators - give them time  :012: .  The other fact though is that the replacement cost of a non Honka part is not exactly extortionate for a part that fails on average ....  what ? .... say 20,000 miles.
 
The only reason I have a spare (new) Honda stator is because I bought it off a member on here for the going rate of a s/h part from a breakers so a good deal.  Otherwise I would have lifted a 'Shumba' stator and kept as a spare for sticking under the pillion seat when a good distance from home/holiday/touring etc.  If Honda weren't fitting stator and flywheel for nix under their extended warranty scheme who in their right mind would pay the silly price for the Honda replacements  :187: .
 
Andy
 :149:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: jontyg on 17 December, 2014, 03:15:02 PM
*Originally Posted by Bifferman [+]

I really don't believe that it is a bad batch or the story might have ended by now.  The 'bad batch' seems to have been an extraordinarily large one as the year models that this issue has effected spans several years.  It was not until the MKII was produced that the problem was virtually eliminated.
 
Overheating is something that seems common to most troubles and this can be cause d by low-ish oil levels (keep it topped up) as well as low rev/speed riding with possibly a bit of bad luck thrown in.  Mileage is not necessarily a determinant either as some bikes have done quite large mileages with no adverse effects while others have stators which have failed again very quickly (ask Fatharry and Robo).
 
Anything that can be done to keep the temp of the stator down must help as well as perhaps a better made stator or reduced power of the magnets etc etc.  Fact is though that Shumba and his adherents are still in the relatively early stages of useage of their replacement stators - give them time  :012: .  The other fact though is that the replacement cost of a non Honka part is not exactly extortionate for a part that fails on average ....  what ? .... say 20,000 miles.
 
The only reason I have a spare (new) Honda stator is because I bought it off a member on here for the going rate of a s/h part from a breakers so a good deal.  Otherwise I would have lifted a 'Shumba' stator and kept as a spare for sticking under the pillion seat when a good distance from home/holiday/touring etc.  If Honda weren't fitting stator and flywheel for nix under their extended warranty scheme who in their right mind would pay the silly price for the Honda replacements  :187: .
 
Andy
 :149:


Agree with you there Andy.

The 'bad batch' theory in my opinion is complete nonsense, and having spent a bit of time looking into this subject in the past, it just doesn't hold up. It's bad engine design which Honda then corrected on the MK2.

My opinion only of course as neither can be proved one way or the other.  :027:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Biker Mike on 17 December, 2014, 05:50:28 PM
I thought the bad batch was called the Mk.I and the rest is history...
Has to be some way to justify the price hike for the Mk.II.
 :018:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Prescaj on 24 December, 2014, 09:06:06 PM
I'd like to join in the stats about stator replacement but I don't know if I'm on the original or a replacement on my 06 Biffa (38K).  Whilst Honda may or may not have a list of batch numbers for faulty stators I'm sure sure they'll have the vin numbers of all bikes where they've replaced the stator +/or  flywheel under the extended warranty.  If this information is kept on a dealer database it may be possible for prospective Mk1 owners to get this info before purchase.  If anyone knows a friendly dealer (count me out) perhaps they could check out this theory?

Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Pinch on 30 December, 2014, 06:32:35 PM
Hooray, all sorted.  09 plate with 17500 miles.
Honda Bournemouth raised warranty claim with Honda UK.
Dropped off on the morning of the 23rd December, a phone call on Friday 27th to say all done, upgraded flywheel and stator. A nicely done visual check and feedback aswell.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: andyg on 31 December, 2014, 11:33:08 AM
BLUE 07 ABS, CURRENT MILEAGE 51,000 :152:. RECEIPTS FROM PREV OWNER SHOW THE STATOR AND RECTIFIER WERE CHANGED IN 2013 APPROX MILEAGE WAS ABOUT 48,000. HIGH MILER BUT STILL RUNS LIKE A DREAM ALTHOUGH I HAVE A BATTERY PROBLEM AT MOMENT, SO COULD BE STATOR NO 2 OR A NEW BATTERY!!!!.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: andyg on 31 December, 2014, 11:35:49 AM
Sorry all for the caps :034: computer thicky.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Rev Ken on 01 January, 2015, 11:40:17 AM
If the replacement stator (and rotor?) Was done by Honda with modified 'free' replacement, it is unlikely to be the stator as we only know of one failure.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 01 January, 2015, 11:54:53 AM
*Originally Posted by Rev Ken [+]
If the replacement stator (and rotor?) Was done by Honda with modified 'free' replacement, it is unlikely to be the stator as we only know of one failure.

I am sure that there has been more than a single stator failure where Honda have replaced both stator and flywheel  (as opposed to a second stator failure when only the stator had been replaced - just to be absolutely clear).
 
I haven't kept a tag but Robo is certainly one who may be a candidate.  Jontyg would probably know for certain.  Who did you have in mind Ken  :187: .
 
Happy 2015 everyone  :028: .
 
Andy
 :149:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: shumba on 01 January, 2015, 12:26:51 PM
 This may be of interest for those among us that have a slight understanding of the German language,You tube has clip showing the very poor build and design of Honda stators and the reason for repeated failures, for those that are really interested its
 Youtube Umshau am Lichtmaschinen  Stator.
   I cant find it at the moment but there is another German clip showing in detail a much better quality after market stator being fitted.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: richardcbf on 01 January, 2015, 08:04:42 PM
*Originally Posted by shumba [+]
This may be of interest for those among us that have a slight understanding of the German language,You tube has clip showing the very poor build and design of Honda stators and the reason for repeated failures, for those that are really interested its
 Youtube Umshau am Lichtmaschinen  Stator.
   I cant find it at the moment but there is another German clip showing in detail a much better quality after market stator being fitted.
http://youtu.be/GWL3YLvtOpE (http://youtu.be/GWL3YLvtOpE)
http://youtu.be/OyOlqAKxUXc (http://youtu.be/OyOlqAKxUXc)

 :152:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: shumba on 01 January, 2015, 08:30:10 PM
 Many thanks Richard cbf  for doing the link I normally make a complete hash of it when I try to do it, Thanks again.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: jontyg on 02 January, 2015, 11:40:24 AM
To date, there have been 29 members on this forum who have reported two or more stator failures.
I have no records of whether the stator and flywheel have been replaced at the same time or the stator only. Most affected owners probably wouldn't know anyway as Mr Honda keeps this info on an 'internal' basis. Unless every owner demands to see the old parts that have been changed, it would be very difficult to keep such a record.  :027:

As for the argument over Honda's (so say) sub standard stator/flywheels versus the increased oil flow on the MK2 to these affected parts, there would be one way to settle the argument once and for all.
Obtain a MK1 and a MK2 engine and strip them both down to their component (basket case) parts and see if there is a difference between the two in this particular troublesome area.
Trouble is, this is almost impossible to do due to the cost and Mr Honda isn't going to come clean on this matter and admit it.

Again, my personal opinion only.  :084:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: stevet on 16 January, 2015, 11:40:30 AM
Mk1 is 5 years old, 42000 miles (not serviced at Honda since 16000 miles) and I am delighted to say that Honda have agreed to replace the original stator free of charge following a failure last week. I know it is annoying that the failure has happened but I am delighted that the manufacturer has agreed to help out. To be frank I don't imagine many other manufacturers would do so.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: NeiljohnUK on 19 January, 2015, 08:10:27 PM
Original was changed June 2012 6 years & ~26,000 miles according to the details in the original owners log file, failed again today after 30 months & ~33,000 miles, thats ~9,000 actual life... It can wait for now, I've got a replacement stator in hand, but nippers Deauville repairs need to be finished first.
Now do I change the regulator too? Sod it I'm going for the Compu-Fire regulator whilst I'm at it, Wemoto has the Electrex for ~£110 inc post, Compu-Fire £122 inc shipping from the states, got to be worth it!

Compufire has still not arrived 6 weeks after ordering, lost by UPS 'in transit'  :151:  so I'll be using it when or if it arrives on the F650, having fitted the Polaris series reg to the biffer  :152: . The Polaris reg including UK carriage and vat was only £83.26  :169:!
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Robo on 20 January, 2015, 11:12:43 AM
*Originally Posted by NeiljohnUK [+]
Compu-Fire £122 inc shipping from the states, got to be worth it!

Have you heard about Mosfat ? have a Google or if you have , why not use them.who sells the Compu-fire ones?  :465:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: NeiljohnUK on 20 January, 2015, 01:34:35 PM
*Originally Posted by Robo [+]
Have you heard about Mosfat ? have a Google or if you have , why not use them.who sells the Compu-fire ones?  :465:

Yes I know about the MosFet shunt regulators, not much, if any, cheaper than the Compu-Fire series regulator.
The heat issue won't change with any shunt type, they all do the same thing, keep the stator connected and at maximum current, dumping the waste energy as heat, MosFet or not.
The Compu-Fire is a series type, which open circuits the stator when it's not needed, so no current flow, with means no current and heat generated in the stator windings beyond just whats actually needed to maintain the battery.
Link to another forum for the heat photo's comparing a shunt and Compu-Fire http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?160360-Ricks-Motorsports-Stator-Version-2-Thicker-next-step-wires&p=2845062&viewfull=1#post2845062 (http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?160360-Ricks-Motorsports-Stator-Version-2-Thicker-next-step-wires&p=2845062&viewfull=1#post2845062)

E-bay from the USA is currently the easiest way to buy the Compu-Fire unit, unless a Harley custom shop or dealers bought some in.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: richardcbf on 20 January, 2015, 03:16:40 PM
Compufire 55402 series regulator install
https://www.cbf1000.com/index.php?topic=10378.0 (https://www.cbf1000.com/index.php?topic=10378.0)

Also (much as already said by NeiljohnUK)....

......MOSFET R/R are a great reliability improvement on the OEM SCR type R/R, in its own right as the R/R device.
However they do nothing to add reliability to the stator, whereas the Series Style greatly enhances this aspect.
A Series R/R significantly reduces the load on the stator which will run close to half of the current as it would with a Shunt R/R (whether that be SCR or MOSFET)
Ergo the stator runs less hot and reliability is significantly improved......

.......Now on to the alternative R/R replacement

Preface: When this thread first written, there really wasn't a good Series Regulator widely available as a replacement candidate. Now there are a couple of options that are in play.
This thread is read by many non-Triumph owners so I will define the replacement strategy into two groups

1: If your bike marque/model generally has a robust stator with low failure rate amongst the population, then MOSFET Regulator remains a good reliability improvement for high-failure SCR Shunt Regulators.

2. If your bike marque/model suffers from a relatively high failure rate in the general population, then MOSFET Regulator will do NOTHING to improve this situation and selection of a Series* style Regulator becomes a much better choice.

* The short version is that a Series Regulator will run much lower current in the stator and so it will have the stator itself producing lower dissipated power, run cooler and be more reliable.
Generally, a much better device regarding the reliability of the stator. The only downside - until recently - has been cost vs good value MOSFET Shunt units. However that 'value' is achieved if stator replacement does not have to be added to the equation!


http://www.triumphrat.net/speed-triple-forum/104504-charging-system-diagnostics-rectifier-regulator-upgrade.html (http://www.triumphrat.net/speed-triple-forum/104504-charging-system-diagnostics-rectifier-regulator-upgrade.html)
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Robo on 20 January, 2015, 03:46:51 PM
[quote

1: If your bike marque/model generally has a robust stator with low failure rate amongst the population, then MOSFET Regulator remains a good reliability improvement for high-failure SCR Shunt Regulators.

2. If your bike marque/model suffers from a relatively high failure rate in the general population, then MOSFET Regulator will do NOTHING to improve this situation and selection of a Series* style Regulator becomes a much better choice.

* The short version is that a Series Regulator will run much lower current in the stator and so it will have the stator itself producing lower dissipated power, run cooler and be more reliable.
Generally, a much better device regarding the reliability of the stator. The only downside - until recently - has been cost vs good value MOSFET Shunt units. However that 'value' is achieved if stator replacement does not have to be added to the equation! [/i][/url]
[/quote]


So if you read about the history of my bike ,apart from throwing a gallon of petrol over it and cooking a potatoe what would you do buy etc    :465: :465: THANX
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 20 January, 2015, 03:53:19 PM
With what must be about 200,000 miles on your MKI and a list of parts to buy and work to do I think I might be tempted to be on the look out for an early MKII  - a thought worthy of cogitation  :084: .
 
Andy
 :149:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Robo on 20 January, 2015, 03:56:17 PM
*Originally Posted by Bifferman [+]
With what must be about 200,000 miles on your MKI and a list of parts to buy and work to do I think I might be tempted to be on the look out for an early MKII  - a thought worthy of cogitation  :084: .
 
Andy
 :149:

 :435:    Its only a small problem, best option is a different job...
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: NeiljohnUK on 01 February, 2015, 11:32:17 PM
Stator swapped today, one pole piece very badly burnt, the one nearest the front dowel (seen others go there?). The replacements windings were much tidier. Fired her up and got 13.8V at tick over, added a few revs and it went up a bit, but didn't run it for long as I'm still awaiting a series r/r.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Lottie on 21 February, 2015, 11:55:50 AM
I am on my third CBF 1000 and have not had any electrical problems touch wood lol   :495:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: dugfish on 26 February, 2015, 08:18:11 PM
08 biffer believe on original stator , 14500 miles
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 27 February, 2015, 09:05:16 AM
*Originally Posted by dugfish [+]
08 biffer believe on original stator , 14500 miles

Change your oil regularly and keep it topped up and, it seems, higher revs are preferable to low.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: illmor on 28 February, 2015, 01:56:11 PM
06 cbf, 12600 miles, I think original one
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Rev Ken on 28 February, 2015, 08:13:09 PM
*Originally Posted by illmor [+]
06 cbf, 12600 miles, I think original one
That's only 1,400 miles a year!
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Robo on 28 February, 2015, 08:15:41 PM
*Originally Posted by Rev Ken [+]
That's only 1,400 miles a year!

Less than I do a week. :031:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: illmor on 28 February, 2015, 08:17:45 PM
Got it last july with 9k, done 3600 miles since
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Robo on 28 February, 2015, 08:20:30 PM
*Originally Posted by illmor [+]
Got it last july with 9k, done 3600 miles since

I still walk more than that. :431:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Wolfie on 04 May, 2015, 05:04:50 PM
only 10,000 miles
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Markytp on 04 May, 2015, 05:55:47 PM
Mine is 08 biffer, a little over 10k on the clock.

I bought it August 2014 and it had 5k on the clock then

Don't think mine has been changed, still on original stator as far as I'm aware.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: NeiljohnUK on 09 October, 2015, 12:16:46 PM
And again, 2 phases this time, well it was a secondhand spare...
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Robo on 09 October, 2015, 12:24:01 PM
 :062: looks like some of mine.

Looks like Honda's second replacement part.

 :028:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: NeiljohnUK on 09 October, 2015, 03:53:05 PM
Yup, and 2 phases gone... This time round I've fitted a Chinese made (like Honda's I'm told) stator for the CBR1000RR, the thicker gauge wire may help, but it's the cheapest option at £32!
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: shumba on 09 October, 2015, 04:06:28 PM
 Nelljohn do you mind me asking where you have got a £32 stator from, Like you say Honda stators are made in China from some of the thinnest gauge copper wire that I have seen on a stator ,All of the after market ones from what I understand use heavier gauge for reliability,I have no doubt that the stator that you have purchased all be it at a modest price will be a far better quality than the one you are replacing.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: NeiljohnUK on 09 October, 2015, 09:33:52 PM
Hi shumba, no problem, good old ebay.

I started out looking at rewinds in the uk, then electrpsports page where the CBF and CBR are next to each other, complete with dimensions confirming it's basically the same item, but with shorter leads. So I searched for CBR1000RR stators and came up with it from there. The wiring is simple, cut the existing stators leads ~100mm above the triangular rubber seal in the cover and add a 1/4" male spade to each wire to insert into the new stators connector, which then tucks in nicely under the air filter housing, if I had a dead r/r I'd take the plug of of that and solder it on, but crimped spades work ok.

Rode the bike to work and back today ok.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 10 October, 2015, 08:12:17 AM
*Originally Posted by NeiljohnUK [+]
Hi shumba, no problem, good old ebay.

I started out looking at rewinds in the uk, then electrpsports page where the CBF and CBR are next to each other, complete with dimensions confirming it's basically the same item, but with shorter leads. So I searched for CBR1000RR stators and came up with it from there. The wiring is simple, cut the existing stators leads ~100mm above the triangular rubber seal in the cover and add a 1/4" male spade to each wire to insert into the new stators connector, which then tucks in nicely under the air filter housing, if I had a dead r/r I'd take the plug of of that and solder it on, but crimped spades work ok.

Rode the bike to work and back today ok.

The 2004/5 CBR1000RR had the same stator as the early CBF1000 with the difference that the wiring from the stator was longer (or was it the other way round :084:)
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: gordonh on 10 October, 2015, 08:39:52 AM
09 plate 16000 miles just failed Told that flywheel is not required?
Will take a few days to get parts. Won't know if the regulator behaves till Honda fit the stator..
Does anyone know the cost of a Honda regulator?
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: richardcbf on 10 October, 2015, 10:57:30 AM
*Originally Posted by gordonh [+]
09 plate 16000 miles just failed Told that flywheel is not required?
Will take a few days to get parts.....
If it's to be done under Honda's discretionary 'AC Generator' warranty (applicable to bikes that were first registered within the last 7 years and subject to prior examination by Honda authorised dealer and approval from Honda UK) according to TSB 230 820 11, both Stator & Rotor (flywheel) 'should' be replaced with latest versions.
Note: Before the dealer sees the bike, it's advisable to remove any non-'Honda approved' (for the CBF1000) electrical accessories that are connected, directly or indirectly, to the bike's battery.

*Originally Posted by gordonh [+]
09 plate 16000 miles just failed Told that flywheel is not required?
Will take a few days to get parts. Won't know if the regulator behaves till Honda fit the stator..
Does anyone know the cost of a Honda regulator?
Yes.....

1) The Honda Part Number for the oem ('Shunt' type) Regulator/Rectifier is 31600-MFA-D01
List price (as indicated by Honda Dealers) is around £240, e.g., as per link below....
http://www.lingshondaparts.com/honda_motorcycle_parts_selection.php?block_01=17MFA8I1&block_02=F__3000&block_03=108 (http://www.lingshondaparts.com/honda_motorcycle_parts_selection.php?block_01=17MFA8I1&block_02=F__3000&block_03=108)

2) An alternative, at around half the above price and as recommended on this forum is this 'Series' type Regulator/Rectifier (Note that locally charged import duty/tax/VAT/charges may apply, which could add around 30% to seller's goods price+shipping charge)......
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Compu-Fire-55402-Regulator-for-40A-3-Phase-Charging-Systems-60-3337-/331114765797 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Compu-Fire-55402-Regulator-for-40A-3-Phase-Charging-Systems-60-3337-/331114765797)

3) There are 'cheap' (less than £100), supposedly compatible, equivalents to the Honda oem 'Shunt' type available, e.g.,....
https://www.catalyst-findit.co.uk/index.php?c=d2f5d910014f2842ada1bbc16c273aae&vat=ex&dest=prod&p=466&pid=44-3815 (https://www.catalyst-findit.co.uk/index.php?c=d2f5d910014f2842ada1bbc16c273aae&vat=ex&dest=prod&p=466&pid=44-3815)
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Rev Ken on 10 October, 2015, 12:04:28 PM
*Originally Posted by gordonh [+]
09 plate 16000 miles just failed Told that flywheel is not required?
Will take a few days to get parts. Won't know if the regulator behaves till Honda fit the stator..
Does anyone know the cost of a Honda regulator?

Many have had their Rotor's exchanged as part of the free Honda upgrade, I am suspicious that your dealer just doesn't want to do the work! Certainly worth more investigation, especially as my bike is also a 2009 version!
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 10 October, 2015, 02:47:59 PM
*Originally Posted by gordonh [+]
09 plate 16000 miles just failed Told that flywheel is not required?
Will take a few days to get parts. Won't know if the regulator behaves till Honda fit the stator..
Does anyone know the cost of a Honda regulator?

Since the TSB 230 820 11 almost without exception all Honda UK approved (and other countries) replacements have included both stator and flywheel - it is what the TSB tells the dealer to do after Honda have approved the warranty claim.  Those who have had a rectifier failing as a result of the stator have usually had the rectifier replaced FOC as well (not part of the TSB but this has not been a frequent component failure) and a few have also had their batteries replaced at the same time but this by no means a certainty due to the vicissitudes of battery life and maintenance.

Bikes that have had both stator and flywheel replaced have subsequently proved to be reliable but stator only have continued to have failures.

Gordon, you need to have another word with your dealer mate, it is not up to the dealer, it is down to Honda themselves.

Andy
 :149:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: shumba on 10 October, 2015, 03:12:01 PM
 I dont think that any motor trade dealer can be dictated to as what they will or wont do it is down to them as to what work they will or will not take on. Unless of course its a vehicle they themselves have sold and are responsible for . Thats the way it works .
 To try and tell professional people how things should be done is not on.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: hondacbf on 10 October, 2015, 03:49:47 PM





But what if its professional misconduct !. If honda say it should be changed and its not then there should be a reasonable explanation, otherwise its misconduct.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: shumba on 10 October, 2015, 04:04:15 PM
 The reason for going to a professional is because of the  experience and knowledge that they have gained from doing  that type of work. People have an option that is if they think they know better than professional people they are more than welcome to do the work themselves. There is nothing worse to a professional person than to have an inexperienced person with very limited knowledge trying to tell them what to,  From my own experience this is very insulting to say the least.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 11 October, 2015, 09:05:54 AM
*Originally Posted by shumba [+]
I dont think that any motor trade dealer can be dictated to as what they will or wont do it is down to them as to what work they will or will not take on. Unless of course its a vehicle they themselves have sold and are responsible for . Thats the way it works .
 To try and tell professional people how things should be done is not on.

That depends on your definition of professional !   If the dealer is a Honda dealership then I most certainly do expect them to follow the procedure clearly laid out in a TSB and for Honda to intervene if this is not adhered to.

One question though would be;  Has this MKI already received a replacement upgraded stator and flywheel in accordance with the TSB and this stator has subsequently failed (as has occasionally happened), in which case one might have some sympathy with the dealership but I would still want to ensure that the flywheel was in fact the Honda upgrade  - Gordon, can you confirm one way or the other please what the position actually is.

Andy
 :149:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: richardcbf on 11 October, 2015, 10:49:59 AM
*Originally Posted by shumba [+]
The reason for going to a professional is because of the  experience and knowledge that they have gained from doing  that type of work. People have an option that is if they think they know better than professional people they are more than welcome to do the work themselves. There is nothing worse to a professional person than to have an inexperienced person with very limited knowledge trying to tell them what to,  From my own experience this is very insulting to say the least.
When I started out in a Sales environment there was a poster on the office wall which read "In our business, the customer is king!" and that's something I have never forgotten and will never change my mind about, irrespective of my relative experience or professionalism.
(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=i59.tinypic.com/35ic9iu.jpg)
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: shumba on 11 October, 2015, 01:14:46 PM
 Strooth I dont believe it there is another Shumba on the forum, As if one is not enough.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: gordonh on 11 October, 2015, 07:35:13 PM
Hi I am now abroad on work and left my bike with a dealer I have no reason to distrust. I have asked the question already about the flywheel and was told it is not required after checks on my bike.
I intended to trust the garages ability as a dealership to do their job as professionals.
I have to hope they are correct and flywheel not required (latest I hope?).
If not it will cost me money.
If I harassed the garage more my service and trust with the garage would or could be less.
I don't have the same trust in other nearby garages so don't wish to shoot myself in the foot.
The regulator will require to be assessed once running again. I would hope not to pay full price for a regulator if the stator was the cause. Time will tell. :028:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Robo on 12 October, 2015, 03:52:00 PM
*Originally Posted by shumba [+]
Strooth I dont believe it there is another Shumba on the forum, As if one is not enough.

Watch out for the cross bowed Dentist.I need something to hang on the wall.

 :028:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: shumba on 12 October, 2015, 04:21:11 PM
*Originally Posted by Robo [+]
Watch out for the cross bowed Dentist.I need something to hang on the wall.

 :028:
Robo you dont need a crossbow, you could throw burnt out stators. :002:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: richardcbf on 12 October, 2015, 07:16:00 PM
*Originally Posted by gordonh [+]
09 plate 16000 miles just failed Told that flywheel is not required?
Will take a few days to get parts. Won't know if the regulator behaves till Honda fit the stator..
Does anyone know the cost of a Honda regulator?
*Originally Posted by gordonh [+]
failed stator yesterday at 15k miles burned out top coil :151:
If this was a car people would be put off buying them hundreds of pounds within 15k driving
I thought Honda was a very reliable brand but no its not. Not if its charging system cant get to 15k without crapping out
*Originally Posted by gordonh [+]
Honda dealer said no warranty.
New stator from Electrix fitted £120 [compared to £240ish Honda]
New regulator not from Honda £50

Bike started and run 13.5v ok 15v max with revs and high beam on - perfect.
1/2 hr run and regulator crapped out minimal charging but not overcharging
Resistance ok between stator wires etc.....
*Originally Posted by gordonh [+]
I just got my bike booked in to a helpful local Honda garage [Ecosse motorcycles Aberdeen]. Next Thursday is the first appointment.
Another week without a bike.
Talking to the wrong department - parts person had not helped with not so helpful advice apart from a quote for new parts.
I intend to keep the Electrex stator as a back up for future reference.
Probably get the old stator rewound also.

The regulator is a small fleebay company with a reasonable history. I guessed taking a chance on a UK company may be OK [luck required]
It worked very stable and regulating. For a short time only.
If the stator is covered by Honda then fine. If not then I will have to look at options. I simply cant afford a large Honda bill just now.
I am wandering if anyone has had success with a Electrex stator, Alternative regulator and flywheel without going to Honda?
Probably false economy
*Originally Posted by gordonh [+]
..... I have asked the question already about the flywheel and was told it is not required after checks on my bike.
I intended to trust the garages ability as a dealership to do their job as professionals.
I have to hope they are correct and flywheel not required (latest I hope?).....
Did you put the original (with burned out top coil)Honda Stator back (on the bike) before taking the bike to the dealer?
If the Electrex stator (still working) is fitted, could that be a reason behind them not considering the supplying and fitment of a replacement (Honda) Rotor, which might otherwise be provided as a 'matching' unit with latest version Honda Stator, whether or not being paid for by Honda under their discretionary warranty covering bikes first registered within the last 7 years?
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 13 October, 2015, 09:19:47 AM
 :084:   Looks a bit like your dealer isn't quite with it, from the time he told you there was no warranty on the failed stator.  Who fitted the Electrex stator, you or the dealer and were the regulator checks done after the stator was replaced :187:.  Sounds to me as if the dealer should take a bit more responsibility as the TSB has been out for a good few years now and they should certainly have known about the extended warranty.  Gordon, I would stand my ground on this and make sure that Honda do replace both flywheel and the stator as a pair. 

15volt charge from the Electrex stator seems highish, could this have had something to do with the failed regulator :187:  My guess would be probably not but .....................  If the original stator was responsible for the regulator/rectifier failure (presumably you paid for the replacement regulator - OEM or non Honda) then I would chuck this into the mix as well although I would have to say that if not an OEM replacement regulator combined with a non OEM stator it would not surprise me if Honda walked away from this completely notwithstanding that they should have advised you incorrectly of the extended warranty in the first place.  Happy negotiating.

Whatever is really going on here I think you should be keeping a closer eye on the dealer and don't take what they say purely on trust :110:.

Andy
 :149:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: shumba on 13 October, 2015, 09:54:34 AM
 That poor dealer will need to take a tablet and have a lie down after that.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: richardcbf on 13 October, 2015, 10:37:43 AM
*Originally Posted by Bifferman [+]
....15volt charge from the Electrex stator seems highish, could this have had something to do with the failed regulator :187:  My guess would be probably not but ............
The "15v max with revs and high beam on" would be DC current from the Regulator, not directly from the Stator.

Anyway, as per the Workshop manual, With the headlight on Hi beam, measure the voltage on the multimeter when the engine runs at 5,000 min-1 (rpm).

STANDARD:
Measured BV < Measured CV < 15.5 V
· BV = Battery Voltage (page 18-6: Fully charged: 13.0 – 13.2V , Under charged: Below 12.3V)
· CV = Charging Voltage


Which means that:
The Measured Charging Voltage should be Greater than the Measured Battery Voltage and Less than 15.5 V

So, a measured 15V is 'ok'.  :028:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: shumba on 13 October, 2015, 12:18:54 PM
 Sorry lost the plot on this one, You already have a good stator ,you only need to get a reg rectifier and thats it problem over.
 This sounds like an exercise in making what is a easy fix that a average 10 year old could tackle. Into a needless traumatic ordeal
 Theres no need for all this stator crap its easy an easy fix as has been said many times over by those that have done it. All this bull is not helping anybody. Because it will still be an easy fix.
 
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 13 October, 2015, 12:20:58 PM
As I said probably not linked at all but in all the times I have checked the output of my stator under these conditions (not paranoid but over the last 8 years I have probably done so a couple of times a year on average when I have been a fettling)  I have never had a reading of 15v, the max I can recall (and no I do not keep records of such things) would be in the order of 14.2 to 14.5 volts.

So I was wondering if others who may have run the same check may recall what their readings were.  The thing is that the manual states it should be under 15.5 volts because that is the voltage that most battery manufacturers use to indicate an 'over charge' rate from an alternator, or as you say Rich, straight from the regulator, which is exactly what the regulator is there to limit.  So I wouldn't expect the voltage to be anywhere near to 15.5 volts and still call it OK, at 15v :187: probably OK but not what I would expect all the time.  Am I a mile off the mark here - Shumba, my friend, you are better qualified than I on auto electrics, what do you think.

All I was trying to do was trying to get a better understanding so as to help Gordon should he decide to ask some sensitive questions of the dealer.

Andy
 :149:

EDIT:  Just read Shuba's response before I pressed the GO button - easy fix or not IMO Gordon wouldn't be in the fix he is if the dealer had followed the TSB in the first place.  If it was the original stator that also effected the Regulator (within 1/2 hour's riding of the replacement Electrex being put on the bike) then Honda would in all probability have picked up the cost for that as well but as it seems to be turning out Gordon is going to be stiffed with the whole bill, doesn't seem right somehow.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: richardcbf on 13 October, 2015, 12:57:17 PM
*Originally Posted by Bifferman [+]
....I have never had a reading of 15v, the max I can recall (and no I do not keep records of such things) would be in the order of 14.2 to 14.5 volts.

So I was wondering if others who may have run the same check may recall what their readings were.  The thing is that the manual states it should be under 15.5 volts because that is the voltage that most battery manufacturers use to indicate an 'over charge' rate from an alternator, or as you say Rich, straight from the regulator, which is exactly what the regulator is there to limit.  So I wouldn't expect the voltage to be anywhere near to 15.5 volts and still call it OK, at 15v :187: probably OK but not what I would expect all the time. ......
I did a quick search and the found the results (previous suggestions as to what measured voltage should be expected) quite 'interesting'.....
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=site:cbf1000.com+15v (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=site:cbf1000.com+15v)
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: shumba on 13 October, 2015, 01:14:17 PM
 Hi Andy  No disrespect to you old chap but I do think that this whole subject is slightly blown up if thats the right word. I also believe that It can have a bad effects on owners, such as putting them off biffers forever with some of them selling their bikes.  From my own perspective this not a difficult or complicated problem nor expensive to put right. I cant see any reason why it should be difficult for anybody else.  My tuppence worth says that it could be better to look from a different angle and see things in a different light.
 
.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Robo on 13 October, 2015, 02:32:10 PM
If the Stator is OK, you can check the R/R if it works it works and if it don't it don't.. it doesn't may be work the R/R only does one job  :260:

If the flywheel isn't doing its job the bike won't run either.

NOT all Honda Warranty repairs get a new Flywheel or Battery or R/R all these can be checked by a numbty so I'm sure the apprentice who fixes your bike can.
Your battery will be taken off and charged, if it holds charge you don't get a new one.

If the latest Honda part is on the bike they won't change bits that still work. you only get the upgrade to the latest parts.

I have put a scribe mark on everything before the Bike goes in and have checked it once  out. sometimes still the same part apart from the stator.
I never bothered questioning the Dealer afterwards because its on their system and its still under a warranty.

The bike is  not always repaired by their top mechanic, the learner gets the job as its a simple thing to do with the need for 3 different tools.

Youtube R/R testing.

you can always buy pass the DEALER and call a Idiot at Honda UK. I have done a few times.

Bifferman your on borrowed time with the Stator. keep that RAC or whatever up to date.

 :028:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: richardcbf on 13 October, 2015, 03:14:09 PM
*Originally Posted by Robo [+]
....you can check the R/R if it works it works and if it don't it don't.. it doesn't may be work the R/R only does one job  :260:
(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=i59.tinypic.com/2yjugbd.jpg)
www.electrexworld.co.uk/acatalog/Troubleshooting-3P-PMG-&-RR.pdf (http://www.electrexworld.co.uk/acatalog/Troubleshooting-3P-PMG-&-RR.pdf)

 :435:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Robo on 13 October, 2015, 03:35:40 PM
Its a lot easier to look on you tube



Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 13 October, 2015, 04:20:55 PM
*Originally Posted by Robo [+]

Bifferman your on borrowed time with the Stator. keep that RAC or whatever up to date.

 :028:

No more so than anyone else and, if there is an element of truth in the hypothesis of using higher revs extends the life of the stator, then I may be OK for a while yet.  BUT you never know.  Have an unopened spare anyway and use the guys with the yellow vans :038:.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: richardcbf on 13 October, 2015, 04:42:49 PM
*Originally Posted by Bifferman [+]
As I said probably not linked at all but in all the times I have checked the output of my stator under these conditions (not paranoid but over the last 8 years I have probably done so a couple of times a year on average when I have been a fettling)  I have never had a reading of 15v, the max I can recall (and no I do not keep records of such things) would be in the order of 14.2 to 14.5 volts.

So I was wondering if others who may have run the same check may recall what their readings were.  The thing is that the manual states it should be under 15.5 volts because that is the voltage that most battery manufacturers use to indicate an 'over charge' rate from an alternator, or as you say Rich, straight from the regulator, which is exactly what the regulator is there to limit.  So I wouldn't expect the voltage to be anywhere near to 15.5 volts and still call it OK, at 15v :187: probably OK but not what I would expect all the time.  Am I a mile off the mark here - Shumba, my friend, you are better qualified than I on auto electrics, what do you think.

All I was trying to do was trying to get a better understanding so as to help Gordon should he decide to ask some sensitive questions of the dealer.

Andy
 :149:.....
Andy, you make what seems to be a good point....
Here's the last post by Alan sh that I can find in which he attached a spreadsheet (attached as image herewith) summary of values as measured by members....
Re: Can you all help - closing in on the alternator problem?
« Reply #90 on: 26 November, 2010, 06:52:36 PM »

https://www.cbf1000.com/index.php/topic,9223.msg123717.html#msg123717 (https://www.cbf1000.com/index.php/topic,9223.msg123717.html#msg123717)
(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=i58.tinypic.com/207kfb6.jpg)

Also, Electrosport say that voltage "Higher than 14.8v = RR at fault. Voltage is not regulated properly."
https://www.electrosport.com/media/pdf/fault-finding-diagram.pdf (https://www.electrosport.com/media/pdf/fault-finding-diagram.pdf)

 :084:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Robo on 13 October, 2015, 06:36:28 PM
Remember that this has been happening on the blade way back in 2002 that's a long way before the CBF600 became a 1000. its still a blade Engine slightly modified

Problem still not fixed. what revs and hot hot does a blade run  :084:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: gordonh on 02 November, 2015, 01:51:25 PM
Bike ready to pick up. No details yet but appears all fixed under warranty on my 2009 bike. :031:
New stator. was required.
 Unfortunately abroad for another week + dealer helping by keeping it for me.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Rev Ken on 02 November, 2015, 02:04:47 PM
Excellent result, enjoy!
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: gordonh on 02 November, 2015, 03:20:32 PM
Cheers
New engine oil was just fitted a few days before failure. When it burned out the stator my new oil smells bad heated.wandering what oil if any could make a difference in helping the stator. I guess not?
There must be a risk of burning out a bike with these melt downs?
I intend to fit a small fan to the regulator when I get home. I expect it won't do anything but won't cost much to try.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Trance-Elbow on 26 February, 2016, 02:59:05 PM
This has been a very interesting thread to read though. Here my tuppence worth.

Mine is an 08 ABS model with about 10k on the clock. I know she is on her original stator as I've had her from new.

One point I don't think has been mentioned is whether running extra powered equipment seems to make any difference to failure rates or not. I was thinking or heated grips, satnav's, auxcillary lights, etc.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 26 February, 2016, 04:00:51 PM
*Originally Posted by Trance-Elbow [+]
This has been a very interesting thread to read though. Here my tuppence worth.

Mine is an 08 ABS model with about 10k on the clock. I know she is on her original stator as I've had her from new.

One point I don't think has been mentioned is whether running extra powered equipment seems to make any difference to failure rates or not. I was thinking or heated grips, satnav's, auxcillary lights, etc.


Lots and lots written on here concerning the why's as to failing stators and there is no definitive answer although several theories.  Bottom line is that the stator overheats.  Partially through insufficient cooling, partly due to poor quality of manufacture, partly due to (we think) the gaus in the flywheel magnets being too strong ............. and a load of other things including riding the bike at low revs.  Specificall in answer to your question re auxiliary loads the answer is no, probably not, we are not absolutely sure but generally this does not seem to be something we have been apecifically point a finger to.  Honda have produced a series of 'fixes' and their last of replacing both stator and flywheel with modified parts has gone a long way to fixing the issue. 

The MKII does not suffer in the same way as the MKI as the internal oil ways in the crankcase which vents the oil around the stator were increased/enlarged (don't know exactly but Honda did something to increase the oil flow around the stator) and although stators can fail on the MKII there have been very few reported on here.

If you do a search on reasons for stators failing you will find the threads covering this. 

If you found this thread interesting and managed to read it start to finish :020: then try the VOSA thread which leads the field by far with 756 posts over 76 pages :156:.

Good luck

Andy
 :149:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Trance-Elbow on 26 February, 2016, 06:15:16 PM
*Originally Posted by Bifferman [+]

Lots and lots written on here concerning the why's as to failing stators and there is no definitive answer although several theories. 
 
If you found this thread interesting and managed to read it start to finish :020: then try the VOSA thread which leads the field by far with 756 posts over 76 pages :156:.

Good luck

Andy
 :149:

I didn't quite read it all, but started about halfway through. From this I have gleaned that the definitive answer is that no one (outside Honda) knows the answer   :012:

One good thing about being in the UK is that it's darn cold most of the time, so that should also help. But then again ....  :005:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: gordonh on 26 February, 2016, 07:01:59 PM
It's interesting about the oil galleries changing?. I wonder if the circulation could be improved on the mk 1 or castings differ much from mk2
Modified my old v8 considerably to increase oil lube, return to sump speed and direction.
Worked a treat. Lot of work tho.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: FRANKIE FOSTER on 01 March, 2016, 10:51:29 PM
2006 original stator over 40000 miles ok so far but. keep wondering
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Rev Ken on 02 March, 2016, 11:28:51 AM
*Originally Posted by FRANKIE FOSTER [+]
2006 original stator over 40000 miles ok so far but. keep wondering

You'll be upsetting all those who think no stator lasts more than a few miles. If it hasn't failed after 40,000 miles I doubt you have any problems! Oh by the way neither has mine after a similar mileage......
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: tedspies on 09 March, 2016, 12:24:21 AM
2008 with 37,000 klm original stator - only extra on the bike is heated grips - does the amount of electronic extras running on the bike make a difference to the life of the stator ?????????
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 09 March, 2016, 08:41:41 AM
*Originally Posted by tedspies [+]
2008 with 37,000 klm original stator - only extra on the bike is heated grips - does the amount of electronic extras running on the bike make a difference to the life of the stator ?????????

Ted there doesn't appear to be a direct link over this.  There are other threads on here that have tried very hard indeed to isolate one or two causes of the stator failing and there is nothing conclusive.  However the issue does seem to be exacerbated by a build up of heat (i.e. insufficient cooling if the stator which Honda say has been addressed in the MKII by additional oil ways in the innards of the crankcase but there is no detail of this from Honda so unlikely to be until someone strips an engine down completely).  Many things can cause this heat build up from poorly made units, how the stator interacts with the rectifier/regulator the gap between stator poles and the flywheel magnets/power of the magnets and, yes even the load, or lack of it, on the charging system.  I suspect that the bottom to all this is basically a combination of sh1te design of charging system and poor execution possibly affected by cost constraints in the quest for profit - frankly who knows :187:.  If you need a deeper analysis then I would seek out on here our combined efforts to understand why this is happening.

The good things are (a) an impending failure does sometimes give out early warning signs and indeed can be better monitored by, say, fitting a LED battery/charging monitor and (b) There has grown up a market for what appears to be better made stators (and alternative regulators) at muck much keener prices than from Hondasan demand for theirs.  If you are 'lucky' :084: enough to be one who has received the Honda stator/flywheel combination fix then at least the issue has improved considerably in terms of longevity and probably to acceptable levels.  For the rest of us it is a very simple job to swap out a stator and at a now reasonable price.

About the only semi consistent thing that has surfaced is the failure rate appears higher on bikes where peeps ride a little more sedately but even this is not conclusive.

Doesn't help much I'm afraid but I certainly wouldn't worry one jot about using heated grips as being the cause .

Andy
 :149:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: tedspies on 10 March, 2016, 02:27:56 AM
It sounds like that there is nothing you can do to prevent this from happening - just a poor design fault - l will keep doing oil changes every 5000 klm in the hope that it might keep the demons away :157:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Ardi on 10 March, 2016, 05:51:58 AM
*Originally Posted by tedspies [+]
It sounds like that there is nothing you can do to prevent this from happening - just a poor design fault - l will keep doing oil changes every 5000 klm in the hope that it might keep the demons away :157:

correct. I did all I could to prevent it: oil change every 5000kl or less, Lithium battery, changed all bulbs to LED, hardly riding in city and traffic light environment and mostly long high speed touring and still it failed on me on 35K kl.
It is Just accept it as it is and count it as another consumable part of the bike and enjoy the ride.
If you have a look on other makes and models you will know that we are not alone.
Triumph, Aprilia, Harley, BMW, Suzuki, have some models worse than the CBF. Ducati and Kawasaki seems to do a better job in this matter or maybe at least less reported.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 10 March, 2016, 07:44:32 AM
*Originally Posted by Ardi [+]
correct. I did all I could to prevent it: oil change every 5000kl or less, Lithium battery, changed all bulbs to LED, hardly riding in city and traffic light environment and mostly long high speed touring and still it failed on me on 35K kl.
It is Just accept it as it is and count it as another consumable part of the bike and enjoy the ride.
If you have a look on other makes and models you will know that we are not alone.
Triumph, Aprilia, Harley, BMW, Suzuki, have some models worse than the CBF. Ducati and Kawasaki seems to do a better job in this matter or maybe at least less reported.

A good way of looking at it especially given the now relatively low cost of a replacement stator (less than 1/2 the price of a single tyre and likely to do at least 2x the distance) and also how easy it is to replace. 

An LED battery/charging monitor is a very worthwhile investment at c.25 to 30 bucks.  If you do ride in inaccessible areas or travel long distances in Oz then it may be worth while keeping a spare stator in your spares bin, I suppose that all depends upon how quickly you need to get your bike running again.

Andy
 :149:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Taurus66 on 14 July, 2017, 05:05:02 PM
2nd staor and reg rec... 36000 odd miles.. and i dont hang around either..
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Robo on 14 July, 2017, 05:12:26 PM
*Originally Posted by Taurus66 [+]
2nd staor and reg rec... 36000 odd miles.. and i dont hang around either..

Mileage and how you ride is not a factor in Stators failing.

If you want an alternative do what other owners have done and get rid of the MK1.

 :028:

Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Piper on 16 July, 2017, 04:32:50 PM
Thought I'd better get around to posting my stator failure on this site. Hardly used the bike in the last 2 years due to work commitments and family events etc. But now just retired I can hopefully plan a few more outings.  :001:

Went out for a ride last November about 40 miles from home when I stopped to take a few photos. Bike would not restart just about turning over. Push it fortunately just a few hundred yards, on the flat, to the top of a hill and managed to get it going on the down hill. Just about managed to get home keeping the revs high and it only failed completely as I slowed down outside by house.
Pulled the stator cover off and it was defiantly burned out. Ordered a new one online from Electrex World and it arrived the next day. Inspected it and sent it back as I wasn't satisfied with the built quality they returned a new one the next day no quibble. Done about 500 miles since fitting and all now ok.

Contrary to what some have said here I think the original stator looks better made than my replacement. Time will tell.

Fitting was easy as all have said except separating the stator cover from the crankcase against the magnet forces needed quite a bit more leverage than I expected.
 
Bike is a 2008 CBF1000A model with about 20,000 miles on the clock. Mixed riding including occasional commutes into London several tours abroad and long runs in the countryside.

Cheers Pete
 
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: CBFPete on 16 July, 2017, 09:32:40 PM
registered april 2013, only 9k atm so still assume its the original
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Ant on 22 July, 2017, 09:46:23 AM
My original stator lasted for 45k from new on my 57 biffa, I replaced it with an electrex one 18 months ago which has just burnt out. They come with a 1 year warranty. On inspection the feed wires had burnt out and were close to the coils so it could have been my fitting. I've replaced with another of the same and the bike is running fine. The lead length is perfect so no soldering required.

A note for those who chose these the failure on burn out was very quick resulting in a dead battery and bike...
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Robo on 22 July, 2017, 11:39:24 AM
So in the 18 months of the electrex one fitted ,what miles did you do  :465:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Ant on 22 July, 2017, 02:01:26 PM
Not a huge amount as I don't commute on my bike anymore, probably under 5k but as I say the failure could be down to my fitting not the stator.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Robo on 22 July, 2017, 03:22:28 PM
How can you mess up fitting one ? childs play  :431:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Ant on 23 July, 2017, 02:13:12 AM
Maybe so, the stator was frazzled by the feed wires, one had burnt through altogether, made me think of them being too close to the side of the coils. The rest of the stator looked ok, but I've moved on and the current one is doing fine.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Jumbo on 23 July, 2017, 12:44:57 PM
*Originally Posted by Ant [+]
......... and the current one is doing fine.
Nice one. There's a pun in there!

Just so long as that current is only going where it should be going.....  :173:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Ant on 23 July, 2017, 12:55:15 PM
 :015: he he, very good! My next step is to fit a charging monitor, have looked at the SparkBright Monsoon, has anyone fitted this or know of a good alternative?
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: J-man on 23 July, 2017, 01:33:41 PM
*Originally Posted by Ant [+]
:015: he he, very good! My next step is to fit a charging monitor, have looked at the SparkBright Monsoon, has anyone fitted this or know of a good alternative?
I've one and its cute, but don't buy the day/night self dimming one, it cost more for stupid reasons.
When cuing in traffic for a bit on idle it sure goes orange and sometimes red, I think its plain normal and says like "You are not really charging your batt right now". The Li-Ion batt has only 4Ah capacity compared to 10Ah lead/acid gell type. The buffer is smaller, I think that is related. For peace of mind I've a digital voltage readout also.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: richardcbf on 23 July, 2017, 01:35:28 PM
*Originally Posted by Ant [+]
:015: he he, very good! My next step is to fit a charging monitor, have looked at the SparkBright Monsoon, has anyone fitted this or know of a good alternative?
I have this one on my Mk1....
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LED-MOTORCYCLE-BIKE-Battery-level-Alternator-Charge-monitor-monsoon-proof-/200609174686

I have it mounted, LED facing skywards, in Black (multi-cable*) cable tidy clip attached (self-adhesive) to the inside upper edge of the right hand fairing.
*one of the 'separator' pieces removed by me.
The clip came in a boxed 'variety set' bought from somewhere like Lidl or Aldi, but they can also be bought from eBay sellers.
(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ZGEAAOSwax5Yy0gU/s-l1600.jpg)
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: SaturnV on 23 July, 2017, 09:53:39 PM
*Originally Posted by Ant [+]
:015: he he, very good! My next step is to fit a charging monitor, have looked at the SparkBright Monsoon, has anyone fitted this or know of a good alternative?

Yes I have and I agree with J-Man: may as well just fit a digital voltage readout IMO - wire it directly to the battery (via a fuse) don't just connect up to the nearest 12V source e.g. headlight supply as there is usually a voltage drop due to the current drawn and you want to monitor the ACTUAL battery voltage level.

The Sparkbright which I also have fitted is the dimming variety which is ok but I prefer to see the actual voltage reading personally - when the LED goes amber or red in stationary traffic it's due to the fan kicking in usually.

Pics attached of Sparkbright LED (to the left of the speedo) and cheap cigarette lighter socket DVM...
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Ant on 24 July, 2017, 12:27:26 AM
Thanks for the input, I need to decide which to go for. @SaturnV thanks for the pic, that looks like a nice setup  :062:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: vinciebhoy on 24 July, 2017, 01:05:47 PM
A8 on a 09 plate
18332 miles
Still on original stator!!
Should I be worried?  :159:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Gizmo on 25 July, 2017, 02:21:20 PM
Yes, probably.
There appears to be a definite lifespan.

My original burned out at circa 20k.
Electrex replacement burned out at around 43-44k
Electrex replacement burned out at 58k - trying to get this one replaced under warranty as it shouldn't have failed until Jan 18.

I've now fitted a voltmeter so I can see when it starts to degrade and order the next one in ready.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: SaturnV on 25 July, 2017, 07:14:35 PM
*Originally Posted by Ant [+]
Thanks for the input, I need to decide which to go for. @SaturnV thanks for the pic, that looks like a nice setup  :062:

Cheers Ant  :002:  It works ok but just a cheap one from LightIntheBox in China - not all that accurate though - out of 5 that I bought (for bikes and cars) only 2 were spot-on, the others were up to +/- 0.3V.  I can probably 'tweak' them by changing a resistor but not had time yet...  They'll give you a general indication of the battery state though which is all you need.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: macdoc on 26 July, 2017, 05:43:33 PM
My turn - Canadian bike 30,000 km ...pretty sure original ....dealer says 10 year coverage

Quit at a VERY convenient spot  - my normal coffee shop - northern office....staff brought a charger up and dealer is not far and crowded with mcycle riders some very well versed.



Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: SaturnV on 26 July, 2017, 06:55:42 PM
Bought my 09 Biffer 14 months ago with 20k on the clock - replaced stator a couple of months ago at 24k but it was the original stator that was in there - still OK but the coil windings were getting a bit of a brown tinge to them so not sure how much longer it would have lasted... New one came from Wemoto think it's Electrex..
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: macdoc on 26 July, 2017, 09:45:40 PM
did not make it to the dealer on the battery only ...but was close enough they brought their own trailer.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bifferman on 20 March, 2018, 01:49:15 PM
Bump to top - to help new members.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Ianrobbo1 on 20 March, 2018, 02:25:10 PM
Got my MK1 at 27K not been far due to ill health and the bike in bits "adding lights etc" so waiting for a failure, any tips to prevent or replace the thing when it does go appreciated!! :159:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Beans on 12 April, 2019, 02:27:46 PM
Mine's just gone at 28000 miles, mk1, 2007 :019:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Fleng on 28 May, 2019, 07:51:43 PM
Well, I am on the second replacement.
I am the second owner of a Mk2, first stator died at only 19000 km. Last week the replacement aftermarket one failed at 49000 km.
Original Honda or aftermarket replacement makes no difference according to my dealer. They just all fail shortly.
As a way to add more cooling I removed the plastic cap at the oilfilter. Maybe a bit colder oil would help.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: iNCORRIGIBLE on 28 May, 2019, 08:20:53 PM
Like the thinking there ,Fleng.Have just taken mine off as it seems the thin casing of the actual filter will benefit from the cooling airflow when the bike is moving. Wonder why the cover was originally fitted? Cosmetic look /styling perhaps?
Thanks,Ed. :123:
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Fleng on 28 May, 2019, 08:34:44 PM
It is said to protect the filter against debris flung out from the front tire. But many engines have the oil filter in front without any problem. So the risk is quite low I guess.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: wpbrown on 29 May, 2019, 08:53:40 AM
2012 mk1. Still on original stator, but only on 9,000 miles. Plenty of time for things to go wrong?
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: moayling on 29 May, 2019, 11:06:40 AM
Very unusual to hear of a Mk 2 failing so really bad luck for it to happen twice
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: badapple on 29 May, 2019, 03:05:54 PM
2006 and 27000 miles and original stator still going strong. Should I be worried? Is it worth buying a cheap replacement to have handy just in case. My bike has not been used much in recent years but if Im not out on it its hooked up the an Optimate charger Its only on its third battery, they seem to last about 5/6 years which I think is pretty good.

To put my mind at rest I will test the charging voltage and maybe get a little stick on voltmeter. Can you tell by looking at the stator what condition its in like evidence of overheating or am I waisting my time even thinking of having a look.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Fleng on 29 May, 2019, 03:32:54 PM
If we could predict when the stator fails, this would be a short topic. Just replace it before reaching that distance  :015:
Checking is not practical. The cover needs to be cleaned of the old sealing and new liquid sealing needs to be applyed. And does anyone know what an almost failing stator looks like? A failed one has a few black spools, but how fast that goes?
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Art on 30 May, 2019, 06:38:36 AM
You're wasting your time looking at the stator. Testing the charging system is the only way to determine its condition. Electrosport have some excellent resources to download.

links

https://www.electrosport.com/pages/technical-resources
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1091/5694/files/fault-finding-diagram.pdf?235929069374954073
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Slawcbf on 30 May, 2019, 09:01:35 AM
Bought a cheap voltmeter on ebay. Easy to read in sunlight and it's been ok in torrential rains. Installed it just below the speedometer. Mine reads 14.1V max riding, 13.6-7 at traffic lights.
(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=i66.tinypic.com/icmde1.jpg)

Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: badapple on 30 May, 2019, 09:47:47 AM
Thanks for the replies they are helpful. So Im wasting my time opening it up for a look see but I will go ahead with the testing and take it from there. I have no reason to think anything is wrong but with the problem being so widespread it looks as if I have just been lucky so far. I heard about this issue years ago but the scale of it was not clear then.

Volt meter on order from eBay. Is there a preferred place to connect it? straight on to the battery is likely the most accurate but then it will be on all the time even when not running. 

Thanks again
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: iNCORRIGIBLE on 30 May, 2019, 11:26:56 AM
Hi Badapple .I have switched mine &  read it at the start & finish  of a ride only.Ed.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: raYzerman on 30 May, 2019, 12:21:41 PM
How to vote in this poll, LOL.... I have two new-to-me Biffers, a black 2008 and a red 2009.  The previous owner recently replaced the stator with an ElectroSport unit as a preventative measure at around 35k kms.  The 2009 is all original with 20k kms.
The '08 has a voltmeter that reads roughly 13.6-13.8 when riding (4000 rpm, stock halogen headlight), never sees 14V like I am used to seeing on the FJR (590 watts).  But I see charging voltage specs at 5000 rpm, so may evaluate further and try a different voltmeter.  The '09 has no voltmeter but that will soon be rectified (pun intended).
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Fleng on 30 May, 2019, 03:51:48 PM
If you want a nice volt indicator, go to sparkbright.co.uk. I have installed that "Eclipse" LED indicator, and it saved me last time from a flat battery. Although it just tells you the voltage is low, you know there is no charge anymore.
Delivery took some more time than advertised, but the device works OK. Got it placed on the LH side of the cockpit and attached the wires to the LH position light.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: badapple on 30 May, 2019, 06:03:15 PM
Well it looks as if my stator is working OK. At rest 13.2V at idle 13.8V when revel up goes as high as 14.2V. So i won't rush to do anything at the moment other than get a Volt meter fitted. Cheers.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Art on 31 May, 2019, 11:35:30 AM
Bests connection for that voltmeter is to the battery via a switched relay.


Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: badapple on 31 May, 2019, 03:03:12 PM
Cheers Art. One on order.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: J-man on 02 June, 2019, 12:57:26 PM
*Originally Posted by Fleng [+]
And does anyone know what an almost failing stator looks like? A failed one has a few black spools, but how fast that goes?
This is an almost failing one, it still worked okay but the black right spool indicates coming problems in the future.
(don't mind that temp measuring lead in the center).
It got replaced at this stage.
(https://www.cbf1000.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=19460.0;attach=14411;image)
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bluefox on 28 July, 2019, 10:19:39 AM
09 with 20,000 miles,died on Friday in the middle of nowhere in a massive thunderstorm.AA arrived within the hour confirmed what I thought it was ie stator,is now in the local bike shop being repaired with new stator and rectifier.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: jm2 on 28 July, 2019, 12:28:50 PM
Rect/Regulator will be okay but ask them to do an oil and filter change as any charred bits off the varnish will circulate with the oil.
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: Bluefox on 28 July, 2019, 03:58:45 PM
Thanks for the tip will get them to do it
Title: Re: Ken's Confessional - Who is on their Original Stator - MK1 Biffs only
Post by: ChrisDhiggins on 23 August, 2019, 04:56:23 PM
Mine packed up last week after 9 years and 29000 miles. Nearly made it home when the battery dropped to 11.2 volts and the bike gave up.