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Offline Mr B

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Bike Swap,,,,,,ish
on: 03 February, 2021, 08:57:20 PM
Hi all,first off if i've posted in the wrong section can admin do there stuff please
Anyway i've been thinking about buying a CBF,so i know this is the place to come
for advice,i'm thinking 2012 because i only like the twin clocks,so what roughly
would you pay for one,how high is high mileage for one of these,i've been all over
the net looking,then came across your forum,and if i remember right someone was looking
at a bike asked for advice,and in the advert the bike and description didnt match up,and one
of the lads spotted it and thats why i'm here,as i know bugga all about the CBF :087:

Thanks in advance,plenty more Qs to come  :016: :016:

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Re: Bike Swap,,,,,,ish
Reply #1 on: 04 February, 2021, 10:17:47 AM
That lad may have been me. Where folk get confused is there are two models of the CBF1000 there is the earlier SC58 and the later SC64. The earlier SC58 was sold alongside the later SC64 for three years. Rightly or wrongly to add to that confusion on here the SC58 has been reinvented as the MKI and the SC64 as the MKII, I've never understood why.

You will find some motorcycle dealers mistakenly specify and price the SC58 as a SC64 because they've identified the model by the year of first registration alone. There are some obvious differences between the two models such as the 4 into 2 vs 4 into 1 exhausts or the analogue vs digital speedo etc. To check which model is specified in the advert check the stated power output where the SC58 = 96 hp (72 kW) @ 8,000 rpm and the SC64 = 106 hp (79 kW) @ 9,000 rpm. To check exactly what is what especially if you want to identify the year of manufacture/assembly you need to check the VIN number which for the earlier SC58 model will be ZDCSC58**X******* the 4th to 7th digits identify the Honda model, the 10th digit (X) identifies the year of manufacture/assembly.

For the SC58 the 10th digit years of manufacture/assembly are 6=2006, 7=2007, 8=2008, 9=2009, A=2010, B=2011 and C=2012

Note CBF1000 is fitted with a detuned version of the CBR1000R engine which means that the engine/frame numbers don't match, the engine number will be SC57E-*******

Sorry, too much information, on to the salient bit. Obviously prices will vary according to mileage, condition and equipment. I'd expect to pay about £3,000 for a 2012 SC58, +£400 for full luggage, +£350 for low mileage < 27,000 and +10% if its from a dealer with warranty. For what its worth if i was looking for a CBF1000 SC58 I'd ignore the year of registration and buy on a mileage of around 3,000 miles per year. Right now its a buyers market so if you've seen something you like at about the right price put in an offer 10% less than the asking price and not a penny more.

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Re: Bike Swap,,,,,,ish
Reply #2 on: 04 February, 2021, 05:39:46 PM
MK1  'silver' engine, MK2 black engine. Low stressed engine, massive mileage easily attained with normal maintenance. Look for a record of maintenance (and MOT history). Make sure you feel comfortable on it (it has an adjustable seat with three positions).

The best bike (MK1) I've ever had with 60+ years of motorcycling experience and the MK2 is even better (But not the analogue display). I kept it for 7 years until it got a little too heavy for this geriatric!
Never ride faster than your Angel can fly.

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Re: Bike Swap,,,,,,ish
Reply #3 on: 04 February, 2021, 08:05:53 PM
Blimey fella's,you really know your stuff  :047: :020:
Thanks very much indeed for those great replies,so what date roughly did the analogue speedo,and the black motor end please :084:
Thanks again Mr B

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Re: Bike Swap,,,,,,ish
Reply #4 on: 05 February, 2021, 08:43:49 AM
There is no definitive answer

Analogue speedo'  (SC58) manufactured between 2006 to 2009, available from dealerships to 2012.
Black engine (SC64) manufactured 2010 to 2013, available from dealerships to 2016.

Note with a 2012 registered SC58 it would have been sitting in storage for 3 years prior to being sold/registered. A 2009 registered maybe the better option. Similarly post 2013 SC64's. Obviously with both models new old stock was sold later. I've heard of more than one 2014 registered CBF1000 being identified by the VIN as a 2009 model and a 2018 SC64 identified by the VIN as a 2013 model! Its often difficult to read the numbers off the motorcycle, especially the engine number, so check the V5 Section 4 E (VIN.Chassis/Frame No) and P.5 (Engine No). Caveat Emptor.

Last of a line, there will not be a third model produced because the SC57 engine cannot be tweaked beyond Euro4.
Last Edit: 05 February, 2021, 08:45:54 AM by Art

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Re: Bike Swap,,,,,,ish
Reply #5 on: 05 February, 2021, 01:18:18 PM
On my Mk1 there was a sticker on the frame under the pillion seat that will tell you the model year (MY, ie the year it was manufactured not registered) 07, 08, 09 etc. Easy to do you just need to open the seat with the key as thereís a storage compartment underneath the pillion seat. It also gives you the paint code for the correct Honda colour.

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Last Edit: 05 February, 2021, 01:20:08 PM by Crispy

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Re: Bike Swap,,,,,,ish
Reply #6 on: 05 February, 2021, 02:11:40 PM
Well spotted, I've never noticed that information label before and a quick way to check the year of manufacture/assembly as opposed to the year of registration. I'd still recommend folk check the vehicle ID via the VIN stamped on the head stock and compare that to the VIN in the DVLA V5 to be sure of a vehicles ID, especially when buying a new to them used CBF1000 or any other vehicle for that. For those who want to be sure, to be sure the vehicle ID can also be checked against the Certificate of Conformity which is a document produced and available from Honda for each individual motorcycle and it ID's the vehicle without the need for a registration number.

The bottom line on the information label on mine reads 'CBF1000 A-6' which indicates CBF1000 ABS 2006 and agrees with the VIN stamped on the head stock, the VIN printed in the DVLA V5 and the VIN on the Certificate of Conformity.

I expect we'll be having tears before bedtime now as CBF1000 owners check the information label under the rear seat and discover their pride and joy is between one and three years older than they thought it was or were led to believe at the time of purchase when parting with their hard earned. It'll be doom and gloom for some but there it is.
Last Edit: 05 February, 2021, 02:13:04 PM by Art

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Re: Bike Swap,,,,,,ish
Reply #7 on: 05 February, 2021, 03:21:19 PM
Hi Art, yes I think the ďAĒ stands for ABS, not sure what the code would be for non-ABS? Itís a quick and easy way to check the bike but also the colour.  Not many bikers check the MY against the date the bike was registered and sold which can be found on the V5.

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Re: Bike Swap,,,,,,ish
Reply #8 on: 05 February, 2021, 03:27:50 PM
Last of a line, there will not be a third model produced because the SC57 engine cannot be tweaked beyond Euro4.

Oh donít say that! Honda are still selling Blades, no?