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Offline smooth operator

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Weak Brake and fork upgrades
« on: 17 June, 2018, 02:59:39 PM »
Hi,

Recently bought a 2010 CBF1000GT and love it but the brakes are not the best by a long way. I have replaced all brake pads with EBC 388 HH and they made a slight difference, the same brake pads I put on my CB1000R which almost put me over the handle bars straight away, but I am still not happy with them at all. I travel 99.9% with the wife so the brakes are paramount, as they should be regardless of one or two up.
I had the calipers off and they are all working freely. I know the disc"s are only 296 mm but they should be way better than what they are considering it's classed as a mini Pan Euro, a continent mile muncher..
Has any body changed front forks or done anything radical to upgrade the front end.

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Tommy

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Re: Weak Brake and fork upgrades
« Reply #1 on: 17 June, 2018, 04:07:52 PM »
I've not done anything structural to my bike.

I, too, felt that the brakes on my Biffer didn't have enough "bite" but I think that's simply a function of the ABS. Grabbing a mittful of front brake in a bike without ABS should be enough to throw you over the bars like you mentioned, but of course ABS doesn't do that. It took me a good season to get used to that (slow learner, I guess) but once I got a grip on working with ABS I became quite comfortable with it.

All that said, I very seldom travel two-up. Best I can suggest at this point is to spend some time two-up in a parking lot somewhere and practice hard braking maneuvers.

Sorry I couldn't be more help.
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Re: Weak Brake and fork upgrades
« Reply #2 on: 17 June, 2018, 04:16:34 PM »
Given the above already, and assuming you are not expecting racing performance brakes, I'd be doing the following;

Overhaul the calipers (fully).
Flush new fluid through (empty the masters and fill afresh).
Cleanout the bobbins (spin with brake/carb cleaner).
Check the lines (for any bulging under max pressure).

And expect some decent gains.
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Re: Weak Brake and fork upgrades
« Reply #3 on: 18 June, 2018, 10:51:16 AM »
*Originally Posted by jm2 [+]
Given the above already, and assuming you are not expecting racing performance brakes, I'd be doing the following;

Overhaul the calipers (fully).
Flush new fluid through (empty the masters and fill afresh).
Cleanout the bobbins (spin with brake/carb cleaner).
Check the lines (for any bulging under max pressure).

And expect some decent gains.

As jm2 says, some maintenance checks should improve your brakes. I ride 2 up or fully loaded quite a bit and can't fault the braking. If it wasn't for abs I could probably stand it on its nose. Compared to my zzr these are very good brakes.

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Re: Weak Brake and fork upgrades
« Reply #4 on: 18 June, 2018, 11:30:49 AM »
Hi Rich,

Thanks for the reply, looks like I definitely have an issue somewhere along the line.
Is your machine totally standard, even the brake pads?

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Re: Weak Brake and fork upgrades
« Reply #5 on: 18 June, 2018, 11:41:22 AM »
*Originally Posted by smooth operator [+]
Hi Rich,

Thanks for the reply, looks like I definitely have an issue somewhere along the line.
Is your machine totally standard, even the brake pads?

Brake wise mine is completely standard.
I do have the full luggage kit fitted and still have no problem braking. A two finger pull of the brake lever gets instant braking, even 2 up with luggage. My zzr has a reputation for poor braking. A slight delay between pulling the lever and anything happening.

6500 miles in 12 months and never a concern about stopping.

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Re: Weak Brake and fork upgrades
« Reply #6 on: 18 June, 2018, 12:52:53 PM »
Hi Rich,

I obviously have an issue and when I get back into the country I will get right onto it. I did an 1100 m trip around Scotland at the start of June and always had to remind myself " The brakes are s**t " so always on the alert when getting nearer traffic or town work. I am wondering if I disconnected the ABS by pulling the fuse, this way I could eliminate all the business end parts?? Worth a try... 

Tommy

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Re: Weak Brake and fork upgrades
« Reply #7 on: 18 June, 2018, 01:04:44 PM »
*Originally Posted by smooth operator [+]
Hi Rich,

I obviously have an issue and when I get back into the country I will get right onto it. I did an 1100 m trip around Scotland at the start of June and always had to remind myself " The brakes are s**t " so always on the alert when getting nearer traffic or town work. I am wondering if I disconnected the ABS by pulling the fuse, this way I could eliminate all the business end parts?? Worth a try... 

Tommy

As jm2 says, start with basic (and free) checks. Good luck
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Re: Weak Brake and fork upgrades
« Reply #8 on: 18 June, 2018, 01:07:21 PM »
Cheers, I'll let you know how I get on....

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Re: Weak Brake and fork upgrades
« Reply #9 on: 18 June, 2018, 06:15:44 PM »
*Originally Posted by smooth operator [+]
Cheers, I'll let you know how I get on....

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