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Offline SaturnV

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Givi Topbox Security Loophole
« on: 24 August, 2016, 02:46:02 PM »
Just got back from visiting a mate down in Godalming area and was proudly demonstrating the benefits of my Givi Monokey Topbox system when he pointed out a major flaw in the security... 

He looked underneath the plastic baseplate onto which the topbox is attached and locked and glibly commented 'great security but the only thing is those 4 nuts underneath can easily be removed and the thief can then lift the box straight off the carrier rack and walk off with the whole thing'

Dammit!  I'm fairly sure he's correct - need to check that tomorrow when I've cooled down a bit - sweltering hot journey back up the A3 etc. today  :087:

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Re: Givi Topbox Security Loophole
« Reply #1 on: 24 August, 2016, 03:28:11 PM »
He is correct. Put some superglue over the screws.
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Re: Givi Topbox Security Loophole
« Reply #2 on: 24 August, 2016, 04:36:06 PM »
Must be a better way surely? Superglue breaks down after a while I believe. Maybe I can reverse the nuts & use some dome headed ones underneath, they can't possibly been undone....

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Re: Givi Topbox Security Loophole
« Reply #3 on: 24 August, 2016, 06:10:20 PM »
*Originally Posted by SaturnV [+]
Must be a better way surely? Superglue breaks down after a while I believe. Maybe I can reverse the nuts & use some dome headed ones underneath, they can't possibly been undone....
Yeh, if you get 'coach' / 'carriage' bolts (with a square profile under the head) and use a square file to modify the holes in the metal 'rack' (base plate carrier) to suit.....
M6 x 35mm bolt ?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=m6+x+35mm+%28coach+%2C+carriage%29&_sop=15
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/Files/147806/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=square&_sop=15

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Re: Givi Topbox Security Loophole
« Reply #4 on: 24 August, 2016, 06:17:21 PM »
I've two types of Givi top box mounting plate and neither would come off if you tried removing the nuts below as the bolt would simply turn with the nut once loosened (I need a hex key in the bolt head to stop it turning), or is the one you describe a different design?
« Last Edit: 24 August, 2016, 06:19:15 PM by Biker Mike »

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Re: Givi Topbox Security Loophole
« Reply #5 on: 24 August, 2016, 09:30:46 PM »
*Originally Posted by richardcbf [+]
Yeh, if you get 'coach' / 'carriage' bolts (with a square profile under the head) and use a square file to modify the holes in the metal 'rack' (base plate carrier) to suit.....
M6 x 35mm bolt ?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=m6+x+35mm+%28coach+%2C+carriage%29&_sop=15
&
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/Files/147806/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=square&_sop=15

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Re: Givi Topbox Security Loophole
« Reply #6 on: 24 August, 2016, 09:38:12 PM »
*Originally Posted by Biker Mike [+]
I've two types of Givi top box mounting plate and neither would come off if you tried removing the nuts below as the bolt would simply turn with the nut once loosened (I need a hex key in the bolt head to stop it turning), or is the one you describe a different design?

 :460: I must try that myself next time I visit my garage lol - such a pain having bike away from home :-(

Keep meaning to move to 'the country'  so I can have the luxury of a place with limitless space and vehicle storage; so envious of aforementioned mate I was visiting who has 2 garages and various barns on his land - 2 bikes 3 cars and various random pseudo-military/agricultural  vehicles, e.g. Eager Beaver forklift 4 wheel drive, mini JCB and mini-tractor, etc.. I have to put up with a council rented garage for me bikes and resident parking permits for cars :-(

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Re: Givi Topbox Security Loophole
« Reply #7 on: 24 August, 2016, 09:43:46 PM »
*Originally Posted by Biker Mike [+]
I've two types of Givi top box mounting plate and neither would come off if you tried removing the nuts below as the bolt would simply turn with the nut once loosened (I need a hex key in the bolt head to stop it turning), or is the one you describe a different design?

I was thinking of the two screws that hold on the triangular bit at the back of the plate that the lock goes into. Look underneath and you should find two allen bolts that can be undone (or used to be - maybe it's changed recently).

I only know this because mine came loose a few years ago on a VFR I had.

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Re: Givi Topbox Security Loophole
« Reply #8 on: 25 August, 2016, 05:59:15 AM »
*Originally Posted by alan sh [+]
I was thinking of the two screws that hold on the triangular bit at the back of the plate that the lock goes into. Look underneath and you should find two allen bolts that can be undone (or used to be - maybe it's changed recently).

I only know this because mine came loose a few years ago on a VFR I had.

Alan
I gotcha.
My top box mountings have moulded latches on the plates.
Because I've built my own luggage, my Givi top box carriers bolt to solid aluminium plate, so only the mounting bolt nylock nuts are accessible.
Maybe that's a solution for others; put a plate of 1mm aluminium or ABS between the Givi mount and the rails it bolts to.

Extended rack plate used for touring


Short rack plate located over pillion seat for day to day use


..... and under the top cover
« Last Edit: 25 August, 2016, 06:24:11 AM by Biker Mike »

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Re: Givi Topbox Security Loophole
« Reply #9 on: 25 August, 2016, 09:02:16 AM »
Goods morning

I just thought I'd chip in on this one, if I was a little light fingered and was carrying tools to break into a motorbike top box, I probably would not bother breaking into the top box, I'd nick the bike and it's luggage, nicking bikes ain't rocket science, are we not getting a bit paranoid here.............

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