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Just watched again, it's been some years since my driving test , but when do you take the left exit from the right hand lane? I hope that someone looks at your video and at least a careless driving charge follows. Do you know how the girl is?

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*Originally Posted by 1madboiler [+]
Just watched again, it's been some years since my driving test , but when do you take the left exit from the right hand lane? I hope that someone looks at your video and at least a careless driving charge follows. Do you know how the girl is?

"when do you take the left exit from the right hand lane?"
Perhaps either when the lanes have painted markings to show that is allowed or when the exit to be taken is not the first one encountered after having entered the roundabout?
<img src="https://assets.digital.cabinet-office.gov.uk/static/hc/hc_rule_185_follow_the_correct_procedure_at_roundabouts.jpg">
https://www.gov.uk/using-the-road-159-to-203/roundabouts-184-to-190

"Do you know how the girl is?"
Both driver and biker are female but as at Thursday, the biker had grazed elbow and kneecap, right side aches, plus head/neck a little stiff.
(She was able to ride away from the incident having been helped to pick the bike up and check it over)
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Road markings on the nearside lane clearly show a arrow pointing left and straight on, off side again showing arrow pointing straight ahead.

No doubt in my mind blind spotted from the drivers point or just plane ignorance, but it did look at one point they were side by side and then the car pulling slightly ahead, every driver/rider should be aware of what is going on all around them that not just ahead of themselves but at the sides and behind.

Not nice to see but the realism of this happening is there for all, hence all the extra guidance we get from all the difference sources Rospa, IAM, Bike safe, ride well, police ect I think thats because we want to have fun but go home in one piece to be able to do it all another day.

In all honesty I have done nothing for the car but taking things from the lessons on the bike over the years, I feel it has enhanced my awareness in the car therefore a little safer.     

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*Originally Posted by Hagar [+]
Yes I agree the car driver is at fault, but has anyone thought that the bike may have been in a blind spot for the driver? I know my self that in one car I had I looked over my left, saw a motorbike but a fiesta was in the blind spot  :005: lucky I saw it in the nick of time. I do think that modern cars with the wide posts do create a lot of blind spots that you need to be careful of.

You are right! While we can allocate blame, wide 'A' posts can hide cars, let alone bikes. I've nearly taken out a biker when approaching a roundabout with him approaching from my right and hidden until the last moment behind my right hand 'A' post. Definitely a brown trouser moment! :005:
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*Originally Posted by Rev Ken [+]
Definitely a brown trouser moment! :005:

For the pair of you  :087:

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What was the legal outcome of this? I assume they had you testify and submit the video.
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*Originally Posted by Montblanc [+]
What was the legal outcome of this? I assume they had you testify and submit the video.
I don't know what the outcome was, although based on the discussions at the scene between parties involved (and the police who attended in response to reports by others of an incident) my best guess is that it was dealt with by insurance, without a law court case.
I provided the 'victim' with photos and link to video (which says it all!) but not heard any more and don't expect to. 
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Just seen this. Richard, you are a star. Roundabout accidents are very difficult for lawyers as there are so many arguments that can be put forward. You end up usually with one word against the other and looking at other evidence such as road markings, damage to the vehicles etc. Many witnesses will simply drive on and not get involved which is a sad state of affairs. With witness evidence and certainly video footage.....game over. Having said that, it could cut both ways but at least the accident circumstances are clear.
In this case, the accident was 100% the fault of the car driver and once the insurers had seen the video, they would have admitted liability immediately. I hear what has been said about lifesavers but the court will impose a reasonable standard of driving and I do not think the biker can be
criticised.
I have recently bought myself a bike camera and they are becoming more common these days.

 


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