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Re: CBF 1000 (2011) vs Kawasaki Z1000SX vs Suzuki GSX 1250 FA
Reply #20 on: 22 March, 2014, 06:17:19 PM
I know Givi do a full set, but as the SX comes with panniers already, why no matching top box? I wouldn't buy a bike with panniers then take them off so I can have a full set of matching Givi luggage.

I'm not knocking the bike as a bike, but I'm just comparing the bikes practical side against the CBF. They don't think the pillion seat / position is very good.

In relation to the fuel I'm going on their test figures.

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Re: CBF 1000 (2011) vs Kawasaki Z1000SX vs Suzuki GSX 1250 FA
Reply #21 on: 22 March, 2014, 06:36:14 PM
I'm guessing the OEM panniers have quite a low weight loading limit, given the way they're mounted on the seat hangers and appear to have no lower support point.
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Re: CBF 1000 (2011) vs Kawasaki Z1000SX vs Suzuki GSX 1250 FA
Reply #22 on: 23 March, 2014, 12:03:55 AM
When the SX(tourer) was introduced late 2010 the options were with Panniers but no top box or top box and no panniers. The thinking at that time was as the rear sub frame was Alloy it was not strong enough to support both and a pillion. I think the max load wieght including lugage is 190Kgs.
There was also another school of thought that the SX might draw sales away from the big Kwacker the GPR 1200/1400 not sure if that holds water.
The panniers may say Kawasaki on them but like the Honda ones for the CBF thay are GIVI certainly for the Mk1 biffer. The brackets for the panniers  on the SX were more like scaffolding poles and like the MK1 Biffer GT they were not pretty to look at and were not easily removable.
The introduction of the GIVI quick release system could be fitted and removed from the bike in less than 5 minutes (after the initial fittings were installed). The GIVI system actually made the panniers fit more snugly into the bike reducing the width of the bike by about 3'' The Top Box mounting bracket mean't you had to remove the pillion grab rails.
I had the three box GIVI quick release system fitted to my bike and never had any problems during the 2&1/2 years I owned the bike.
Concerning the pillion seat and position I certainly would not like to do a european tour perched on that. The stock main seat was a brick and to tour with it was agony(Sargent sorted that).
Fuel consumption on the SX was not as good as my Mk1 biffer nursing the bike you may get 48/50 to a gallon and I mean nursing it , a little bit heavy on the throttle and you can be looking at 34/36 miles to the gallon not great.
Having had a MK1 GT for just over 2 years and the SX 2&1/2 years from a fun point of view the SX for me is a better bike.
Build quality of the Kawasaki was better than the CBF, I ride all year round (even in the UK)I found the welded seams on the CBF were rusting badly especially the Pannier&Topbox carrier. The ridding position is slightly better on the CBF. Have not ridden a MK2 CBF so cannot comment about that. When I was changing the Mk1 Biffer I was at the NEC show and looked at the MK2 CBF and the SX sorry but the MK 2 was just plan boring to look at and as a replacement to the MK1 CBF I think it was avery poor attempt by Honda hence the romours that the MK 2 CBF will be dropped and not replaced?

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Re: CBF 1000 (2011) vs Kawasaki Z1000SX vs Suzuki GSX 1250 FA
Reply #23 on: 14 February, 2022, 03:24:24 PM
  So what do you guys call a biffer ???

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Re: CBF 1000 (2011) vs Kawasaki Z1000SX vs Suzuki GSX 1250 FA
Reply #24 on: 15 February, 2022, 01:25:46 PM
*Originally Posted by Quick1 [+]
  So what do you guys call a biffer ???

A " biffer" is a cbf1000, if that's what you mean.
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Re: CBF 1000 (2011) vs Kawasaki Z1000SX vs Suzuki GSX 1250 FA
Reply #25 on: 15 February, 2022, 03:39:08 PM
Thanks ,not a term usually used here in West Oz .
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Re: CBF 1000 (2011) vs Kawasaki Z1000SX vs Suzuki GSX 1250 FA
Reply #26 on: 15 February, 2022, 03:56:29 PM
I prefer calling a spade a spade which makes a Biffer either a SC58 or SC64  :084:

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Re: CBF 1000 (2011) vs Kawasaki Z1000SX vs Suzuki GSX 1250 FA
Reply #27 on: 16 February, 2022, 02:06:06 PM
*Originally Posted by Quick1 [+]
Thanks ,not a term usually used here in West Oz .

The other terms, of course, are the usage of mk1 biffer or mk2 biffer.

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Re: CBF 1000 (2011) vs Kawasaki Z1000SX vs Suzuki GSX 1250 FA
Reply #28 on: 16 February, 2022, 06:06:20 PM
I'm sticking with Honda's tags - SC58 and SC64

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Re: CBF 1000 (2011) vs Kawasaki Z1000SX vs Suzuki GSX 1250 FA
Reply #29 on: 16 February, 2022, 06:25:16 PM
*Originally Posted by Art [+]
I'm sticking with Honda's tags - SC58 and SC64

Which is which?
I've no idea.
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